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ducttape
Ducttape  (Level: 188.8 - Posts: 159)
Fri, 26th Oct '07 10:51 PM

DUMBLEDORE IS GAY?

that doesn't make me gay does it?

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 26th Oct '07 10:52 PM

Only if you're Dumbledore.

chyenn
Chyenn  (Level: 202.6 - Posts: 1332)
Fri, 26th Oct '07 10:55 PM

did JK Rowlings author you, ducttape?

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 12:18 AM

I believe it was just an experimental phase he went through in wizard college.

ducttape
Ducttape  (Level: 188.8 - Posts: 159)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 12:28 AM

an anagram for dumbledore:

do elder bum

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 1:10 AM

Admit it. You started the whole thread to post that, didn't you?

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 7:26 AM

You mean that Harry Porter, Lord of the Dings and such might not be gay?

frannie
Frannie  (Level: 96.2 - Posts: 68)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 8:04 AM

When I read that Dumbledore was gay I thought, "OH NO", not only are the religious- fundamentalists going to have a field day, now the gay-bashers are going to join in.
I hope all this nonsense doesn't mean that some kids won't be allowed to read these books. They really are pretty good. Frannie

chyenn
Chyenn  (Level: 202.6 - Posts: 1332)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 10:53 AM

Frannie i had pretty much the same thought.

i wonder what Rowlings and/or her publisher hoped to gain by this announcement. the controversy seemed to have died down over the witchcraft issue and the books have been a tremendous hit despite all that hoopla..

i guess some people need to stir stuff unnecessarily just for sensational publicity. too bad because kids will ultimately suffer from it because some unenlightened souls will now ban these books due to their idiotic prejudices.



tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 11:53 AM

I cannot believe Rowling would even dignify a question like that with an answer, especially one that would indicate the thought had even crossed her mind. It is totally irrelevant to the entire series. It is of no more significance to the story than the colors chosen for the houses, the names of stores in places like Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley, or the final scores of the Quidditch matches. Other than Dumbledore and Snape in the later books, precious little is ever included about the personal lives of professors. It just isn't that important.

Granted, all publicity can be spun as positive for books, movies and movie stars, but what will be next? Professor McGonagall studied transfiguration because she was born a man, and wanted to be a woman? Professor Sprout is an Earth First! activist? Professor Flitwick is secretly being paid millions to levitate fly balls into home runs for Barry Bonds? How about if Professor Dumbledore is fleshed out further and revealed to be an American and Log Cabin Republican who voted for Ronald Reagan?

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 12:50 PM

I can think of a couple of good reasons to out Dumbledore. From what I've seen of her in interviews, Rowling has a strong sense of who her characters are, as if they're real people, and she may have simply been answering a question posed to her as honestly as she could. She may feel that many of the fans of her books, young and old, are gay themselves, and like any minority group, want the validation of seeing people like themselves included in a positive way in the "world" of the books and films they love. Think Uhura in Star Trek, little persons playing lawyers and love interests on TV dramas, blind heroes in comic books, and on and on. She may also have liked the idea of a gay person in a position of authority over children who isn't portrayed as an abuser. It's not as though he has a boyfriend or a love scene. Anyone old enough to read the books already knows gay people exist; why not a positive represention as a heroic character? Maybe it will help a few people be less judgmental and prejudiced. There's all kinds of scary stuff and violence, even murders and the attempted murder of babies and children in the books; if it's okay for impressionable young minds to be exposed to those fears, what's so scary about a gay, apparently celibate old man? I don't see the problem.

chyenn
Chyenn  (Level: 202.6 - Posts: 1332)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 4:01 PM

i wish everyone felt as you do, Smoke.

i bought one of the earlier Potter books for my then middle school aged daughter. she hated reading but loved Harry Potter. you would have thought i had committed the unpardonable sin from the way my "Christian" family and friends reacted. my argument was that she's finally READING! she knows it's sci-fi. Potter is no more harmful than the nursery rhymes and fairy tales i read to her as a baby. (think about Hansel and Grettle for one example.)

i just think the way the media announced that the character was "outed" that it will bring out the worst in those who choose to live bigotted lives. and that is a shame.

~~chyenn~~

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 4:33 PM

I understand your points, and can accept them. However, I stand behind my point that it is a meaningless event. It neither adds, detracts, strengthens, weakens, validates, invalidates or in any other way explains or alters the books. I don't think it merits one iota of the attention it has stirred.

I have yet to sell a novel. So I am no Hemingway or Vonnegut, but I am published. I understand the necessity of genuinely knowing your characters. However, when you describe them to the public, those characteristics should be prioritized by importance/relevance. Irrelevant one should be disregarded. Being black and a woman were 2 key characteristics to the character of Lt. Uhuru. Blindness is part of the defintion of Daredevile. Would Ironsides be Ironsides with the wheelchair?

Dumbledore has many key characteristic that should be used to "define" him. Unfortunately for some, sexual orientation is not in the top 10. It should be listed, at best, under "Other", if at all, since it plays no role in any portion of the stories.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 4:51 PM

Agreed. It's an incidental detail no more important to the story than eye color or whether he prefers boxers or briefs; just one of those things fans are absurdly curious about. So why all the fuss? The only reason Uhura's color and gender were at all noteworthy was because at the time it was unusual for a woman of color to occupy a position of responsibility; the whole point was that her gender and color did not matter to the story; it was time for people to realize that. Same here. If it's no big deal, doesn't matter to the story, and she's certainly not concerned about sales, what harm in honestly answering the question? It's the media in an effort to titillate who have made it important, not the fact that it's her vision of the character.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 7:31 PM

Re-agreed. But We should note that Star Trek had a stated agenda according to some of the interviews on the specials about the making of the show. They were intentionally pushing several of the social issues of the day into prime time...militarism, war, cold war, peace, segregation, sexism and feminism, interracial relationships, etc. The kiss between Capt. Kirk and Lt. Uhuru was the first ever interracial kiss on a prime time TV drama. The show did go where not TV show had gone before.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 8:04 PM

I remember that kiss well. It was a thrilling event to a young civil rights activist. Too bad it had to be forced.

Now, aren't you glad Rowling didn't have Voldemort cast a powerful spell forcing Dumbledore to kiss Snape?

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Sun, 28th Oct '07 7:31 AM

Aren't all wizards gay?
Or do I mean fey?

(Except Christopher Lee. Anyone who's Saruman, an evil Jedi knight and Dracula probably isn't going to be called gay.
To his face.)

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 28th Oct '07 5:42 PM

Thought that was "all wizards are gray."


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