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pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Fri, 11th Nov '05 10:27 PM

WORDPUZZLE QUESTION

Did I understand correctly the earlier post that if anyone ever gets a WordPuzzle in less than 11 moves it gets scored as having taken 99 moves??
Is it really considered impossible to do? I've also seen a some skeptical remarks made of puzzles being done in 11 moves...

Just asking 'cus the Early Bestsellers puzzle started out amazingly for me. At the start of the 3rd puzzle I'd only used 4 moves. (And could have conceivably used only 2 if I'd had the guts to guess w/out testing a letter first.)
I took 3 more to get the 3rd, and then I thought I knew what the 4th was w/out any letters!

But then I completely blew it. Guessed and spelled it wrong, got confused, guessed more letters. And the 5th puzzle I misspelled TWICE. (Didn't someone else recently say they did that? I feel your pain. =)

BUT--If I hadn't messed up, I could've had it in 12, or, if I guessed the ones I knew w/out choosing any letters first, in 9. And that would be out of the ordinary for me so I'm thinking it wouldn't be too hard to believe that some people who've been at this awhile could do the same more regularly...

I know time has a lot to do with it. 12 moves in 3 minutes seems more legit than 12 moves in 20 minutes. But I always take a long time. (sitting there imagining every letter of the alphabet in a space. =)

Is it just when it's done consistently that it starts to look...dodgy?
'Cus everyone has their strong suits. Somewhere out there there's even someone who would have heard of all those brain parts...




tazmaniac72
Tazmaniac72  (Level: 188.0 - Posts: 213)
Fri, 11th Nov '05 10:45 PM

It's not totally impossible. I guessed the puzzle for the Summer Olympic games in 10 moves, totally legit. I guessed 2 of them right on the first guess, and the other ones were one/two letter guesses. My total got dropped to 99. I requested my points and move totals get reinstated, but it didn't happen. I did get an apology, but that was it. I was aggravated, but I understand the point of the safeguard against folks who would could use multiple IP's to figure out puzzles. Not everyone gets the same 5 puzzles, so the cheat factor is more difficult. Maybe the process can be refined better, and I'm sure they're working on it.

kravfighter
Kravfighter  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 563)
Fri, 11th Nov '05 10:54 PM

It depends who you talk to pafork. All of the things you listed can be deemed suspicious. Some think it looks suspicious sometimes if it's a particularly hard puzzle with lots of things that MOST (not necessarily all) have not heard of. Others think it's suspicious if a puzzle is done in low moves but really fast or really slow time. I for one am like you where if I sit there long enough I can usually figure it out with only 1 or 2 letters guessed, but I guess no one knows for sure someone else is doing during all that time.

But most of it is just speculation. We all have our different ways of solving the puzzles and what works for one may not work for someone else. Unfortunately neither Sploofus nor its members have come up with a foolproof way to get rid of the possibility of cheating so we will continue to be suspicious. And since Sploofus can't actually see anyone, it would be very difficult to know for sure who is cheating.



violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Fri, 11th Nov '05 11:14 PM

I had heard of all the brain parts (but then it's kind of important for my job).

I was scored a 99 for the Home Improvement TV shows because I forgot about the 11 moves thing. I once got first place in fewer than 7 moves on NFL teams. Anyone could have done it with enough patience-- with a very limited number of choices it wasn't hard. However, there are some puzzles with infinite possibilities-- like 12-letter household words-- and I find it very hard to believe 11 moves on those. But who knows? Only Sploofus knows who's guilty. And he's not telling-- yet.



kravfighter
Kravfighter  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 563)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 12:08 AM

You're right violet, becasue people have different backgrounds, they will know different things. I also had heard of all the brain parts for the same reason as you - I need to know them for my job. I didn't fare so well on the Home Improvement shows because I just don't really watch them. I also had a hard time with those poker players, but a fan of poker would have had an easy time. That's where that suspicion of those who get low scores ALL the time comes from. Someone can't know everything about everything.

redbaron
Redbaron  (Level: 198.4 - Posts: 296)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 1:37 AM

I don't do Word Puzzles much...but I will say that the 11 move cut-off seems arbitrary. Posters in this thread have already shown how it really is possible to do the puzzles in 10 or fewer moves, for some people, on some puzzles. If someone happens to get a puzzle which is right up their alley, they should get their reward.

So the question is...how else to catch the cheaters? I'd love to believe the honor system would be all we need, but I'm not that naive, and I find that sad.

Will

puppet138
Puppet138  (Level: 169.5 - Posts: 65)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 7:16 AM

WEll I just got mine in 103 moves and think the same rules apply to change to 99. LOL Oh poor me. I need to read more.

philkon
Philkon  (Level: 269.0 - Posts: 474)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 8:29 AM

My son got the Twilight Zone quiz in 5 moves becuase there were only so many possible answers. He did guess a couple of times (he said) and guessed right. I got it in 9 or 10 moves for the same reason. We both really like the show.

FYI, he lives over 1000 miles from me & we did not communicate about the quiz until both of us got flagged for possibly cheating. We both got apologies & no return of points.

The arbitrary nature of 10 points is frustrating. So is having your non-alcoholic mineral water not allowed into an event because alcohol is not allowed & others have cheated by saying they were only carrying water (vodak & gin, etc. are clear, too).

lettermanfan1
Lettermanfan1  (Level: 88.3 - Posts: 486)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 9:42 AM

Don't forget that typing in your answer counts as a move. So that's 5 moves automatically. So, to get an 11, you would have to get 5 puzzles in 6 letters. Though I believe this can be done, the cheaters ruined it.
Leah

twinboymom2001
Twinboymom2001  (Level: 67.0 - Posts: 197)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 10:22 AM

I am with Tracy on the brain quiz, that is something I am exposed to on almost a daily basis at pharmacy school. I could have done it in 5 moves (otherwise no letters), but I ended up mispelling one and being chicken and asking for another letter on another, which dropped me to 16 moves on that one.

I really don't know what constitutes cheating...I mean what if you are sitting there thinking of every combination possible on a piece of paper or in your head and can get the puzzle in 11 moves and it takes you a 1000 sec. to do that? Is that cheating? because someone does it in a long period of time doesn't mean they are looking it up. We all have different knowledge backgrounds, ways to solve puzzles, etc. That's what makes us so unique and fun to be with!


tgallag2
Tgallag2  (Level: 13.6 - Posts: 60)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 1:23 PM

How well do you have to do on a wordpuzzle to get a lot of points?? I know on a wordround if you are in the top ten you start to get more points. My best wordpuzzle is around 50th place and I got maybe 220 extra points. Thanks for your response.
Tim

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 1:46 PM

Tgallag,

The Top Ten gets you anywhere from 5000 points (1st) to 1000 points (10th). Eleventh place drops significantly. Therefore, many people who feel like getting in the Top Ten is unlikely have found that filling in all the spaces yields more points than trying to guess with few letters. You get 10 points per letter, I believe.

~Tracy

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 2:02 PM

tell me about it. I was 11th a couple puzzles ago and got 290 points.

tgallag2
Tgallag2  (Level: 13.6 - Posts: 60)
Sat, 12th Nov '05 3:23 PM

Thank you Tracey


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