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eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Wed, 5th Dec '07 11:20 PM

I HOPE YOU DON'T LEAVE BUT IF YOU DO....

Those of you who have sent me notes letting me know if this "#@#$%!! Censorship B.S." continues on sploofus that you are going to bail, please please please send me your contact information. I hope you stay and this settles down but please don't go without a way to keep in touch.

And if something happens and I get tossed for speaking my mind, you can get my email address from Chick, Smoke, Marsha, Jeannarie, or Randy. (Yes, I know others of you have my email but we'll just keep that between us, shall we? )

Keep the faith!

Lodi

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 5th Dec '07 11:51 PM

All this talk of censorship in the BBS is confusing me lately. I saw Texlewees original thread, which has *hardly* been altered, but what else is getting censored? When I was a newbie I posted a thread titled sploofus taboos in the newbies corners, trying to clarify what was acceptable on this site, and felt that I was let down with the responses to my questions, as I wanted the "details", and was told "what you would say in church or what could be said in good housekeeping". As someone who doesn't go to church or read good housekeeping, I didn't get it. Without new responses being censored, can anyone tell me the details of what's being censored and why?

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Wed, 5th Dec '07 11:53 PM

I'll send you a PM. But you have to be nicer to Kelly in the WR's.

nsinuosblufyxn
Nsinuosblufyxn  (Level: 106.3 - Posts: 274)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 12:43 AM

Then I can say 90% of what I usually say because if I feel like I'll talk about an O in church and have. If people didn't like it they could stop eavesdropping b/c I wasn't screaming it for the world to hear.

Apparently, rules can not be defined by using such a vague reference b/c I was taught that there is nothing ugly or nasty about sex & certainly nothing embarrassing about it, that it is a natural and beautiful part of life. It was an essential part of my upbringing. My mom didn't care where we were, if I was comfortable about asking a question she would give me her educated perspective on it. She wanted me to know everything beforehand so that I wouldn't be surprised or caught off guard. Sex is not ugly. At least I don't practice anything that I need to be embarrassed about;-I can't speak for everyone.

So Lodi, could you pls pm a copy to me also?
I'd appreciate it,
Bunny


eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 12:52 AM

Absolutely. And thanks for the refreshing perspective. Like I posted elsewhere - I found another website that said something about only enter if your mental age is over 18.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 1:02 AM

What website is that, must've missed that post, like to check it out. Otherwise, as far as inuendos go, if a child can interpret them, then he's not so innocent already is he? If not, he's safe, where's the harm in that?


eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 1:11 AM

The website is in the iguana thread.

I don't think there's a website out there that has boards and private mails where adults and children should be interacting. The potential for something bad to happen is just too great. And I don't mean a child or teenager seeing the word "penis." We teach them that word from the time they can talk. I'm talking about the explicit contact and possible exploitation than can go on in places where adults are free to interact with children.

Megan Meier suicide - adult contact on myspace. Kids & adults on a website such as this is just not smart.

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Thu, 6th Dec '07 2:41 AM

Before everyone completely loses their minds over this bogus censorship issue, I'll remind you that the original issue from which all this has grown was not *a word*, but the aggressively offensive manner in which it was used by one person to deliberately shock and offend others, which was achieved with tremendous success. One shudders to think of the impression that must've made on the first-time visitor. For every message you've received from people threatening to leave because of censorship, we've got half a dozen threatening to leave if we don't clean up the boards and control the potty-mouths. We don't have any complaints threatening to leave because of censorship.

Try and appreciate the position we're being put in. We're not on a power trip or throwing our weight around because it's so much fun to tell everyone else what to do. We are charged as a group with maintaining this site to Justin's standards of decency; we can't help that, it's the job we agreed to do when we signed on, and we expected to have the respect and the cooperation of the membership at large. Like it or not, Sploofus is a FAMILY FRIENDLY site, and anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to be here. As has been pointed out, there are plenty of sites all over the net with any level of smut that may appeal. By enforcing community standards on Sploofus, we are in no way denying anyone the opportunity to read and post anything they like - someplace else.

FAMILY FRIENDLY SITE - This is more than just a phrase we toss out when we wish to "censor" someone. It's Justin's operational philosophy for *his creation*, stated many times over and well-known to all, as well as a set of criteria we have to meet in order to continue to be listed on specific websites and search lists that steer hundreds, even thousands of potential members to our island every year; people who come here expecting clean language and civil discourse. It's very hard to get on these lists, very easy to get kicked off, and once kicked off, virtually impossible to get back on. We're not picking on anyone, not oppressing anyone's freedom; we're protecting Sploofus as an entity.

We do want families here. We want members to refer their parents, their kids and grandkids, their co-workers, neighbors, friends and people from school and church. Yes, the site is designed and intended for adults, but this doesn't mean it can't be a place fit for young people to come to. We welcome everyone gladly to our community. But make no mistake - Sploofus is not a democracy. There IS no free speech issue. If we feel Sploofus standards of decency are being violated, regardless of the identity or number of violators, we'll delete posts as we see fit. This is the very last thing we want to waste time doing, so if you kids will just clean it up a bit and play quietly, we can get back to editing quizzes and writing word puzzles.

Thanks for your time.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofusaurus (Editor)  
Thu, 6th Dec '07 3:20 AM

Hear, Hear!!

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 3:23 AM

I've never put in a support ticket on anything that offended me on the BBS or shout because I believe people are entitled to their opinion. I've seen many posts containing slightly off-color innuendo, long before the wild-haired man & the Texas cowboy arrived on the scene. These bother not a wit, but I hate having someone else's morality or religion shoved down my throat. If I come across anything that bothers me, I stop reading. Simple as that

bravegator
Bravegator  (Level: 152.0 - Posts: 428)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 5:48 AM

And i hope nobody leaves yet either... at least not until the end of the year.. when i have won the number of memebers contest

chelle

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 5:53 AM


"Hear, hear". Oh my god. I threw up a little in my throat. They applaud each other now...

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 5:54 AM

While I do empathize with how difficult it must be to decide what is decent enough to remain posted, I think people aren't as upset that there has been some censorship, but that the censorship seems to be over such minor off color humor. I haven't see anything that couldn't have appeared on a Simpson's episode.
But in the end, this is Justin's site, we are guests, paying or not, and he gets to decide who decides what stays and goes. I am sure he is ready to deal with the ramifications, and has weighed potential lost membership from each "side".
Again, I recommend an additional chat room. One for bawdy humor, one for delicate ears.

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Thu, 6th Dec '07 8:03 AM

Minor off-color humor, yes. Intimate personal descriptions, no.

Sorry about hastily removing the iguana's penis.

Now, there's something I don't get to say every day.

As you were.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 8:05 AM

I felt the urge to hurl as well. The hear, hear was bad enough, but being in agreement with Smaug has me queasy as well. It wasn't actually applause as much as the utilization of multiple editor accounts.Question: What sound do the editors make when they hit the floor? Answer: Clique.

sherilynn1962
Sherilynn1962  (Level: 116.2 - Posts: 372)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 8:44 AM

Very well stated, Sploofanatic!

We can only hope that those who have been offended by what they consider to be "censorship" will now understand the reasoning behind the actions of the editors.

We can never be too careful these days - even at work, we cannot tell a slightly off-color joke, because it may fall under the "sexual harassment/hostile work environment" umbrella. It's really no different on a sight like Sploofus. And it's not like we can predict what is going to be written in a thread by another person, so the old adage "if you don't like it you don't have to read it" doesn't really apply.

I love reading through the threads, off-color or not, because everybody has their opinions. Sploofus is not only a source of fun, it is also a source of laughter for me, and the players are great! They can be just as great and just as much fun without any off-color humor at all.

Blessings to all - have a great day!


Sheri Ras.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 9:15 AM

I remember when Justin first introduced the turd bug, there was a mother on here who was absolutely outraged. OUTRAGED! Because she "tried to bring up her children decently and with morals and didn't know how she was to explain to them how something so clearly offensive could be deemed acceptable and commonplace on this website."

So we can all have a chuckle at that and scoff at where one person draws the line of decency. Its all fun & games until someone hits "our" line. And then there are others scoffing at us.

roccotab
Roccotab  (Level: 60.4 - Posts: 185)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 9:33 AM

"We do want families here. We want members to refer their parents, their kids and grandkids, their co-workers, neighbors, friends and people from school and church."

Then of course if you score 5 on a WP you will be accused of looking over someones shoulder, or having multiple accounts, and removed for cheating. I can't believe you think for one minute if a couple of teenagers have Sploofus accounts, and they share a computer to do WPs on that 7 out of 10 of them would not say "Oh I had that one it was?" please.

As for censorship I play on Pogo.com a lot, and they are a family site, but they also offer uncensored chat room options. This does not keep children out of them, but then I think the liability falls away from the site.

There has always been a little flirtation or sexual innuendos in the chats here for the past year I have been here, and until now NO censorship. Bedroom humor is a part of life deal with it, chuckle a little, and move on. Size does or does not matter is in a large percentage of TV commercials these days get over it.

JMO Rocco

sherilynn1962
Sherilynn1962  (Level: 116.2 - Posts: 372)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 10:24 AM

And look at where our world is today.

'Nuff said from me.



missashlee
Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 11:20 AM

This is just for information, and not an opinion one way or the other.

If you have never clicked on the "Family Friendly Site TM" link that appears on the Sploofus home page (www.sploofus.com), you may not be aware of that to which Sploofanatic refers in the long post above. The FFS link has what looks like a crayon-drawn house on it.

Sometimes a simple phrase, like "family friendly", is wide open for interpretation (sorry for the understatement!). In this case, display of the FFS logo on the home page refers to a specific review process that Sploofus went through in order to become a registered member of FFS.

Check it out if you are interested!


eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 11:49 AM

Thanks for the info Jeanne. I'll check it out. I have a feeling with the new laws that may be coming down the pipe after the myspace incident, that "family friendly" might take on a new meaning.

Sorry your world isn't great Sheri. Mine's pretty good and I'm grateful.

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 11:50 AM

Um...
I hadn't noticed that link. But round my way 'FFS' means something completely different. And totally inappropriate for posting here.

On another note, I have Lodi's email and am willing to sell it to the highest bidder.
(Sorry dude-ette, but it's nearly Christmas & I'm skint. I know you'd do the same for me.)

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5314)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 12:05 PM

Thanks for adding that information, missashlee. I took your advice and went to that site, clicked on guidelines. It clears up the situation fairly well in my mind. I am sure others will argue ... "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." (Bill Clinton's famous quote)

I just upped my membership to platinum for a year because I wanted to support the site -- I like the puzzles but also because I like the interaction between the members in chat and I like the members. I don't want that to change because I would miss it. But I also don't want to have to click out of a thread if my 13 year old granddaughter walks up to the computer.

And don't toss that line about it's no worse than what kids see on TV or in the movies. She is not a naive immature child. She's a savvy teen. That doesn't mean that her father allows her to fill her mind with sexually implicit music, videos, language and movies. Garbage in, garbage out.

I have no intention of setting myself up as a language or content censor cop; I would like you to do that yourself.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 12:28 PM

I sure would rather err on the side of caution. The perfect solution is for everyone just to censor him/herself. I've always know that just because you CAN do a thing doesn't mean you SHOULD do a thing.

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Thu, 6th Dec '07 1:05 PM

Sploofanatic wrote an excellent response as to what this site stands for. I don't understand why certain people are still here who enjoy antagonizing others for the sake of sensationalism. Is it the bully factor? It is most certainly juvenile. Members come to this site to relax after a long day of work, traffic, taking care of children and other responsibilities, and not to be bombarded with offensive comments by other members.

Justin has shut down the Chat Forum before and he can do it again. This is his
baby, his creation and we all agreed to play by the rules when we joined. I may not like the idea of a hundred traffic light cameras in my city, but it has made intersections safer and people now respect the rule of no running red lights. All this keeps us from getting hurt and hurting others and, frankly, this is what this is all about too.

tazmaniac72
Tazmaniac72  (Level: 187.6 - Posts: 213)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 2:45 PM

It's not the turd bug that bothers me....it's when I have to clean it off my shoes that really ticks me off!!! LOL

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 5:48 PM

Spfoonatic wrote about that they had half a dozen threatening to leave because of potty mouth posts but none complaining about censorship. Here's your first. In the future I will be sending in complaints about those members that jump on other people's bantering posts because they are offended. Those people offend me. While I'm not interested in seeing this site turn into a soft porn forum, neither am I wanting it to be Sunday School. Don't make the mistake that those complaining are speaking for the majority, if you do, I will be voting with my feet. This is not a complaint about the editors, for the most part they do a fine job

nsinuosblufyxn
Nsinuosblufyxn  (Level: 106.3 - Posts: 274)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 5:51 PM

Bump

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 6:01 PM

Oldcougar, I could not have said it better, good job!

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 6:06 PM

Just want to say thanks for all the notes and emails. Its been very encouraging to have your support and even more encouraging for the supportive notes I've received from people who were originally at odds with me. Big big hugs to you.

I'm a juvenile, antagonizing bully? Really? For saying something in which I strongly believe and not backing down?

The site doesn't allow me to respond in the way I would like to that accusation. So instead I'll just let the statement stand by itself.

If I'm not welcome here, so be it.


nsinuosblufyxn
Nsinuosblufyxn  (Level: 106.3 - Posts: 274)
Thu, 6th Dec '07 6:57 PM

Lodi,
you aren't a bully, but it's weird how I haven't seen anything about those people being called names by the other side of this "debate" or ie: our side. A debate is just that: people discussing their points without telling others that they're dumb or that they're a bully. I certainly have not pm'd anyone w/an opinion contrary to my own, especially not to regress back a number of years & encourage them to send in a support ticket b/c I'm calling them names.
Haven't received any myself but I'm wondering how they think that type of behavior supports their argument, exactly? Oh yeah, it doesn't, it speaks to maturity. Oh well, I think the support tickets should fly, personally; but that's on you.

Bunny


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