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sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Fri, 21st Dec '07 6:40 AM

EASIEST TQOTD

I have always been curious about which daily trivia question had the highest percent of correct responses.
For a long time I thought it concerned a very popular boxer. The percent right was over 90%.
But I just got a question about a Jewish ceremony and it hit 96%.

Has anyone seen a topic that was higher than that?

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6644)
Fri, 21st Dec '07 8:38 AM

and equally what about the lowest percentage?
And what about the lowest on a wager to lose REAL points?


smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 21st Dec '07 8:56 AM

Don't pay much attention to the highest percentage ones, as those are the ones I click away from quickly and happily. The lowest percentage one I remember wagering on recently was a vocab with about 4% of people answering correctly. (I didn't win) That was a recent loss, there may have been others.

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Fri, 21st Dec '07 7:14 PM

Ummm, how can some points be more REAL than other points?

sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 6:23 AM

Since each qestion has a choice of 5 answers it would seem that the lowest would be around 20%.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 7:12 AM

The only problem with that, as in my 4% example, is that the questions are written by humans and can sometimes be purposely misleading, so that people think they know they answer but it's a trick question. I could give a recent example but I think my thread would be deleted due to giving away TQOTD answers!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 7:29 AM

I thought of a fictitious example. Let's say you are writing a quiz on Werewolf movies. The question might be something like:

Which of the movies below is based on an obsucre russian movie about a serial killer turned werewolf?

Correct Answer: Buddy Eats a Banana

Wrong Answers: Wolf's Bane; Full Moon High; The Howling; (and one more wrong answer designed to steer you away from the right one), Barney is Purple and Annoying the Movie.

If you didn't happen to know the answer to this obscure question, you're probably going to guess based off past experience with movie titles, which means the odds of you picking the correct answer, Buddy Eats a Banana, are probably pretty low. Wolf's Bane, Full Moon High, and The Howling are all going to get a much higher than average "guess rate" than the correct answer. As I said, I had a TQOTD like this recently.

I understand why quiz authors do things like this, as the higher the difficulty rating the more points you get as an author. Why the TQOTD authors do it when there is nothing advantageous for them to gain by it, I don't know the answer to that!

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 9:50 AM

Well, since this is a TRIVIA site, the most obscure trivia should be the true challenge that can be celebrated when someone actually knows it! If you have to GUESS then you don't really know that bit of trivia, do you?

However, I like to guess correctly just as much as the next person!

Justin has asked the editors, when writing TQOTDs, to try to balance really tricky ones in a 1:4 ratio with easy ones. Or maybe it was 1:5, or 1:10, I can't recall exactly (but don't worry, I personally don't write that many TQOTDs!). But the point is we do try to maintain a balance.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 10:54 AM

I think I had one that said 2.4%. I think the highest one I had was 97% or 98% and it was a vocab that was set up a little something like this:

I ______ down the street.

1. runned
2. running
3. runner
4. ran
5. ranned

And yet it was not at 100%.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 11:05 AM

I saw a 99% one. I believe it said: Hillary ______ is like a bag of hammers. Or something to that effect. I do not recall the correct answer. Go figure.


Tolerating the Irish for over 50 years,
Felix

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 11:21 AM

That reminded me of something one of my bosses told me about our central administration:

"Its like a sack of @$$holes with the pretty ones picked out."

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 3936)
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 4:46 PM

I think I remember that question, Felix. The corect answer was "said climbing Mt. Everest".

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 5:19 PM

Editor: But why have trick, or "tricky" questions at all. I don't mean hard questions, as a trivia site we have to have those. Why not create questions indifferently, where you don't care whether everyone gets them right or not. I feel like tricky questions don't leave a lot of room for educated guesses. Shouldn't we be rewarded for those? In my imperfect example (Wish I could of used a real TQOTD example!) a person educated on the topic might have been able to eliminate two of the three werewolf titled movies and still have gotten it wrong! Another thing I don't like about those tricky questions is that you can keep them to a certain ratio, 1 to 4 or 1 to 10 or whatever it currently is, but if the questions are given to us randomly you can't keep us from getting several of those in a row to where we quit trusting our instincts or educated guesses on our next six questions, or I next two wagers, possibly losing us millions or billions of points in the process! Why not create questions completely without tricks, why not indifference?


pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 22nd Dec '07 10:03 PM

I think you've got a good point Stout. After I've gotten a few with guess-ology, I get a few tricky ones that's there's no way to figure out, then I start over-thinking, which messes up my next set of I-could-have-figured-this-one-out questions.

I'd never thought about this process before seeing this thread. I'm glad to know there is a ratio of tricky to average. Reins in my paranoia a little.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 23rd Dec '07 12:36 AM

I immensely dislike the ones that have an entire paragraph to read for the question and then long answers to read. Sometimes, because they are so long, I tend to panic and not read it thoroughly and get hosed on the trickiness. Dammit.

missashlee
Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Sun, 23rd Dec '07 2:49 AM

I don't like those ones, either!

I have to admit, I did not get all warm and fuzzy inside because I learned something by having to read the book real-time to get the answer!



garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6644)
Sun, 23rd Dec '07 11:55 AM

talking of impossible questions.
I only use wager tokens on vocabulary. But I HAD to use one vocab Q
becuase it was running out and it was a word I'd never heard of! I could have guessed it but I did not; that is the first word I've ever had to check in a dictionary afterwards in case there was a typo. Count my lucky stars I guess (a billion here and abillion there adds up)

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Sun, 23rd Dec '07 1:27 PM

A few long questions were written in the early days of Editors authoring TQOTD. If you get one of those extra long questions with extra long answers, please send in a support ticket identifying it for us. We are trying to simplify and delete these, as we agree they are too long for the 30 second format.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 23rd Dec '07 2:04 PM

I've had one within the last 3 weeks if you want to troll the dozens of incorrect guesses in my recent TQOTD history.

Bitter.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 23rd Dec '07 10:03 PM

Hey, how come Easy the dwarf got a response from the editorial staff and I didn't? Did your heads explode at my "profound" response or something? I wanted to know why not reward the educated guess more often and show a little more indifference on the tricky ones? Go ahead, scrape your exploded heads off the keyboard and respond. Please. Thank you.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 23rd Dec '07 10:24 PM

Wow! That came off as sounding angry, only I was just joking around about the exploded head. Hope this second post clears that up!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 23rd Dec '07 11:31 PM

Hmmmm. ...Maybe I'll have to PM Easy or Smaug to get a response, they always get one....

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Mon, 24th Dec '07 12:36 AM

Stoutyounglad, you asked: "I wanted to know why not reward the educated guess more often and show a little more indifference on the tricky ones?"

I don't think anyone responded because we have no response to this. I see no way to know whether someone guessed or knew an answer, or how to reward people differently. We have all written questions that we thought were simple and obvious but seem to be very difficult for some people. That's because we all have expertise in different areas.

Editors don't purposely try to trick people with our TQOTDs, as your posts here seem to indicate. It is a matter of creating reasonably realistic distractors. This is the same thing asked of all quiz writers. If the distractors are too obviously wrong, there is no "trivia challenge" involved in answering.

The TQOTD is supposed to test your trivia knowledge, not your ability to guess well. If you just happen to guess well, lucky you. But the idea is to test yourself to see what you KNOW.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 24th Dec '07 2:03 AM

Way to jump on the dwarf bandwagon, poophead. Real mature.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Mon, 24th Dec '07 9:13 AM

And, on a related topic...
Do the questions get progressively harder the higher your level?
I'm at a lower level, and I can't tell the difference in the difficulty factor.
If I were at Level 50, for example, would the questions be harder than at Level 10?
Thanks.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 24th Dec '07 10:02 AM

Before I respond, I would like to thank you for replying, and did wonder whether you guys just didn't have an answer. Thanks for putting up with my tongue-in-cheek harangue.

"Editors don't purposely try to trick people with our TQOTDs, as your posts here seem to indicate. It is a matter of creating reasonably realistic distractors. This is the same thing asked of all quiz writers. If the distractors are too obviously wrong, there is no "trivia challenge" involved in answering." Honestly, I (and a few players I introduced to the site) think this is in my definition of trying to trick people, and that, while maybe expected, there might be a line between when this is appropriate and when this isn't, but I'll let sleeping dogs lie, mostly because I don't see how this discussion could be resolved without talking about actual TQOTD answers, and because I don't think I'm clever enough to come up with fakes. And currently, how could I do that? If the identities of editors weren't secret, I could voice my complaint through a PM. Never thought I'd be agreeing with Felix on whether those identities should be public or not, or whether they ought to be players, but here I am, only because I think it causes problems.

Once again thanks for taking the time to respond. Appreciate the volunteer work you put into this site I really enjoy. I do not expect a response. Take care- Stout.



smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 24th Dec '07 10:03 AM

Pepper- I've asked this question before and had a wonderful response from an editor- the answer is no they do not get harder, even though I think the survival guide says they do.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Mon, 24th Dec '07 10:36 AM

That's right - TQOTDs were originally supposed to get harder, but there is currently just one big database of questions and it is totally random which one anyone gets on any given day.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 24th Dec '07 10:57 AM

Sorry Sploofiz! I said, "This is in my definition of trying to trick people". I didn't mean to imply that the editors were "trying" to trick people, but perhaps some of the questions were having that effect, intentional or not. My point was merely that there's a line between creating a misleading question and creating a challenging question, and perhaps not all the questions hit the mark. The devil's in the details as they say.

okuome1
Okuome1  (Level: 33.0 - Posts: 89)
Mon, 24th Dec '07 4:14 PM

"Throw out your ideas?"
Was that a Freudian Slip?
I LOVE reading these posts


charcoal
Charcoal  (Level: 177.8 - Posts: 52)
Mon, 31st Dec '07 12:10 AM

Just saw my lowest percentage question. A Music and Musician question where only 4.6% of the people get it right. Alas, I got it wrong as well.

acofish
Acofish  (Level: 59.9 - Posts: 98)
Mon, 31st Dec '07 12:27 AM

i really have a ball with this site...it is a huge part of my daily routine and I just would like to thank all those who have a part in it! I'm not one for message boards and I really don't know the proper forum for thanking y'all (other than my well spent gold and telling everyone I know about the site), so just a great big THANKS!!!

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Mon, 31st Dec '07 5:36 AM

The only thing I wish on the TQOTD is that I got a better balance. I know that I'm MUCH smarter than my TQOTD rank gives me credit for.

I know that I get really frustrated on rap music questions - when I first started I rarely missed music questions - I probably have a better balance than I think - but those really stick out in my mind - maybe in the ever elusive sploofus 2.0 we could not only cut out a category but cut out a sub category --- yeah THAT's the ticket

I know that's asking for too much - but hey, a girl could dream



sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Mon, 31st Dec '07 9:00 AM

I would be interested in seeing how the questions in Music broke down in terms of decades and types of music. It seems like I've seen some questions on music theory as well.

sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Mon, 31st Dec '07 9:05 AM

Also would be interested in data about the movie category. Are there more questions about recent movies as opposed to earlier decades?

queenotrivia
Queenotrivia  (Level: 31.7 - Posts: 1)
Tue, 1st Jan '08 12:59 PM

I have a Wordpuzzles question - my husband and I both have sploofus accounts and it's a daily battle to see who did better on different quizzes, wordpuzzles etc. However, sometimes when we discuss the wordpuzzles after doing them he'll ask me about one of them and I will have had a completely different wordpuzzle than him. Are there more than 5 wordpuzzles available in each round? It appears there are as he and I have recently begun writing down our answers and three of mine didn't appear in his wordpuzzle round. How can you rate people if their puzzles are not all the same?

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Tue, 1st Jan '08 1:08 PM

there are a total of 10 "puzzles", per word puzzle, from which 5 are randomly selected.

sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Tue, 1st Jan '08 1:12 PM

The editiors write 10 puzzles and five are randomly assigned to the player.

It is possible for one player to get more difficult puzzles than someone else.

nelly
Nelly  (Level: 172.0 - Posts: 1167)
Tue, 1st Jan '08 7:44 PM

'Swings and roundabouts' with WP, although there are some people who are consistently brilliant at WPs - I'm not one of them unfortunately (I swing high then low, but that's more to do with subject matter or clues as far as I'm concerned)! If everyone got the same 5 puzzles it would make it way to easy, for those inclined to cheat (which spoils it for everyone). Like you, I enjoy the competition with my husband - it's so much more fun!

It's the same with WRs and WMs - they are different for everyone - sometimes you get a great lucky dip, other times not - but it evens out in the end.

Karen

nelly
Nelly  (Level: 172.0 - Posts: 1167)
Tue, 1st Jan '08 7:46 PM

correction "TOO easy" (Not you Lodi!)

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Tue, 1st Jan '08 9:55 PM

hardy har har

stone
Stone  (Level: 35.0 - Posts: 259)
Wed, 2nd Jan '08 5:53 PM

To Sargon's original question-I answered one TQOTD recently that said it was answered correctly 98.2% of the time. That's the highest I remember.


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