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Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 7:35 AM


I know there has been a lot of talk on the boards these days about how fast quizzes are released and was just wondering if there is an intentional slow up - I finished up a quiz on the 1st and was at 57 - and it's now been sitting at:
There are 27 quizzes ahead of this one in the review queue
for about a day now - not whining - just wondering

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 7:38 AM

Does it have anything to do with the release of the Community Quizzes?

Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 7:46 AM

No. it most likely means the editor who "put their name on your quiz is occupupieed elsewhere-talked against this practice repeatedly. yes, editors have lives but believe it should be OK for another editor to take your quiz-not going to convince me otherwise=-_linda

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 8:13 AM

I remember looking at the quiz trail chart that Justin did and THINK I understood it LOL

So basically Linda, what you are saying is that even though it still shows "in queue", someone has actually attached their name to it as the editor for it, even though it still shows 27 ahead of me?

So when they do that - until it is edited - it shows that quiz at that number in front although it MIGHT be "next" if the editor only had their name on a couple?

I figured it might take a little longer to edit - due to subject matter I figure they are going to check and make sure I didn't plagerize the whole thing, based on comments I've received on quizzes in the past (comments like "I found this exact phrasing on another website or something like that")

I always put things in my own words, but there are only so many ways to say some things - like I said, I wasn't being pushy - I know it's a volunteer job and all - was just curious because I thought it strange - and that maybe they were trying to avoid flooding the queue with tons of quizzes all at once.

Maybe today

Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 8:26 AM

The number in front of you is meaningless. Your quiz wiill be activated whether corrections are needed or not when YOUR editor is available. Believe quizzes are assigned as they come in-Sorry, proceess stinks!!

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 9:56 AM

I did get a response from my editor this morning.

He/She made some helpful suggestions and it's back in the queue - I was actually expecting that it Might be returned just because some of it was so obscure - and the editor made some very good very minute suggestions for me - hopefully I'm good to go!

Surreyman  (Level: 274.5 - Posts: 2775)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 10:21 AM

I don't think you're quite right, Heidi.
I asked about this once and, as I understand it ...
A quiz isn't allocated to an editor as soon as it's launched - it just goes in the queue.
An editor picks it up when it's next in line to be edited. THAT's when an editor is allocated, and randomly each time.
So there's no delay if a particular editor goes off for 6 months - only if he/she has started to edit your quiz just prior!
I've been putting almost daily quizzes through recently, and they've mostly gone through within a day or two, so there's no current hold up as such.
With my 'CQ' hat on, the editors tell Tuzilla and I that CQ quizzes are treated the same - they go in the queue and are edited in turn. The only difference then is that they're held up for launch. Editing CQs thus makes very little difference to the speed of editing other quizzes.
And don't forget that the 'number of quizzes in front of yours' currently includes the deliberately held CQs, so you can subtract 20 or so from that number in reality.

Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 10:40 AM

Your thinking is pretty deep for me , Surreyman, but appreciuate your response. I hate to disagree with someone like you but have had 2 quizzes held up because of editor prior obligations. Turned out neither needed corrections-they just had a busy editor's name on them. Hope I am wrong and you are right but don't think so-Linda

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 12:31 PM

Surreyman is correct. There is no editor assigned to a quiz until that editor is ready to edit and clicks on a link to "edit the next quiz in the queue". The editor does an extensive plagiarism check and scans for spelling/grammar/typo errors. If there is no problem the quiz is launched. A short simple quiz takes about 5 minutes to process; a wordy quiz can take up to half an hour.

If there are any problems the quiz is returned. If the editor wants to confer with other editors the quiz may seem to be 'on hold' but that editor CANNOT edit any other quizzes until they deal with that one. If the problem is huge then the quiz may be turned over to the Chief Editor, where it may sit for days while problems are discussed and sorted out. That is the only way the original editor can be freed up to edit more quizzes.

The number of quizzes listed ahead of yours includes every owned quiz, all the quizzes that have been sent to the Chief Editor, including the held-up CQ quizzes, and all of the quizzes waiting for an editor to click that "edit the next quiz in the queue" button. At any given moment the number of 'owned' quizzes could go up which might make it look like your quiz is stuck...but they all get launched eventually!

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3640)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 12:35 PM

Who's the Chief Editor? Is that like Head Elf?

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5425)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 1:28 PM

I waited patiently while one of my quizzes didn't come out for several days, so I finally sent a support ticket. It turned out I hadn't hit launch after making some corrections, or something like that. Anyway, the error was on my side and not the editor's fault. Sometimes things just happen.

I'm not sure I even know how to look to see how many quizzes are ahead of mine.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 1:44 PM

your quiz will show pending in the status area of the quiz if it has been launched.

if it has not been launched, it will show build.

Just click and your quizzes
and you'll be able to see - OH and pending/build quizzes are in yellow (if you aren't color blind like my friend who just said that's not yellow)

Allena  (Level: 268.6 - Posts: 1414)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 1:44 PM

My experience mirrors Surreyman's. In addition, there are peaks of quizzes being launched occurring on weekends and the beginning of the month. There is a slowness of editor reviews on weekends and holidays. Usually, lately, when the queue reaches more than 70, the editors swing in and get a lot edited quickly. It iused to go to over 200 occasionally. Perhaps that head elf or whoever is head elf of the day, puts out a call.

I have a feeling that many writers internalize a problem that is really systemic. I now believe that random problems occur and we should all act naturally. I have become better at all of these.

1) Check your launches. Read it backwards if necessary to find silly errors.
2) Spell check is manditory unless you can earn 100% on all my spelling quizzes. No one has as yet thought Barry comes pretty close.
3) If your punch misses the plagarism button, you will not launch.
4) Read your mail, your quiz may have come back and you didn't know it.
5) Use the note to the head elf of the day, called 'Player Support'. That function used to take weeks and now takes less than a few hours.

Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 1:52 PM

I hear all of you, Just think from experience that a quiz not being activated and found to be error free smacks of quizzes assigned as they come in not when the editor starts to edit-far be it from me to doubt anyone's veracity-just frustrated at times-Linda

Allena  (Level: 268.6 - Posts: 1414)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 2:15 PM

If an editor takes your quiz, the editor can actually fix it for you. This may take some time and it is possible that the dinner bell goes off and them company arrives and sleep takes over and you quiz goes into the refrigerator. It is very unlikely and should not happen.

However, what does happen repeatedly is that your quiz needs a tiny little fix like getting all the tenses to agree. You get the quiz back. Now only THAT editor can pass the quiz (after your teeny little edit) on, unless you send in a support ticket. I have heard that only Justin can get the quiz out of the refrigerator or off the desk of the editor that wanted the teensy tiny edit. Sometimes he does.

I am certain that when your quiz got selected, the editor meant to have enough time to finish, that the editor had no idea what quiz was next and had no idea what the right answer was to any of your questions. I write this because I have asked long ago all of your questions and I have finally learned as written here.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 3:24 PM

Interesting to know - I got a very helpful pm from my editor - made the corrections this am and sent it back in, and it said like 76 ahead of me then - I wasn't sure if that editor got the quiz back or how that worked, although I figured - mine must have a 9-5 job - waiting with bated breath for return!

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 7:58 PM

Kaelin, that "76 ahead" is NOT accurate in the case of a returned quiz. It makes no difference at all how many other quizzes are waiting to be launched. Your quiz will be the very next one that your editor deals with as soon as they get back to editing. The only reason you would be number 2 or three is if that editor returned several quizzes yesterday and they all got resubmitted today.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 10:21 PM

Thank you Sploofiz & everyone else - learned alot today - and quiz is approved...which was the highlight of my day...and I've had a REALLY bad day - so thanks for my one bright light

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 10:37 PM

Need some more cheese Linda...just a thought.

Surreyman  (Level: 274.5 - Posts: 2775)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 5:50 AM

Hi Heidi,

I was concerned by your continued concern.
And was concerned in case I was wrong!

So I sent in a 'support'.

I am assured that:

/1/ No editor is assigned any quiz until it is that quiz's turn for editing. That assignment is entirely random.

/2/ At that point, approx. 80% of quizzes are then launched within a few minutes. So for the vast majority of quizzes, the editor's 'attachment' is momentary.

/3/ Some 20% are returned to authors for corrections, in which case any further delay is then down to the author.

/4/ When returned by the author, the corrected quiz bypasses all others and becomes the editor's No. 1 for then launching, with no control over that by the editor.

Them's seem to be the facts. Simple as that.

Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 6:09 AM

Thank you, Surreyman. I believe you were told what you were told but still believe the qusstion remains is a quiz assigned before editing? (or perhaps better said if an editor has time at that moment to edit) If no corrections are needed the quiz is still held up until the deditor gets to it and determines if orrections are needed-if not believe you when you say the process is then rther rapid=Linda

Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 6:31 AM

I know how terrbly stubborn I am. Just think it is not as simple as an editor picking uo a quiz that needs editing, editing it, and going from there-most likely have a number of them and some they don't have time too attend to on an immediate basis. You are a patient man, Sutrreyman, to deal with me-Linda

Sploofus Editor
Sploofusmaximus (Editor)  
Fri, 4th Jan '08 9:31 AM

It truly is as simple as that. Quizzes are NOT assigned before editing. A quiz waits in the queue until the next editing editor clicks the button essentially saying "give me the next quiz in the queue". The editor can not see any information about the quiz until they click that button and the next quiz opens up for him or her. Once opened, the quiz then belongs to that editor. They will review/approve or review/send back for corrections. When an editor has a quiz opened, they can not edit any other quizzes until that opened quiz is approved or sent back to the author.

When a quiz is sent back to an editor an editor must handle that sent-back quiz before taking any other quiz from the regular queue. The system does not allow an editor to handle the quizzes any other way than one at a time.

Cristinap  (Level: 31.4 - Posts: 133)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 9:36 AM

That sounds fair to me

Zeedee  (Level: 235.6 - Posts: 1088)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 9:54 AM

Yes, in almost all cases the current system works just fine.

I think the delay that Linda is referring to happens when an author relaunches a quiz that was sent back for corrections. In that case, the original editor is not sitting there waiting for its return. He/she could have sent the quiz back to the author and then left on vacation (or become otherwise occupied) in the meantime. The author must then wait for that editor to return to editing -- while the quiz seems to languish in Sploofus-Limbo. Sometimes, especially in case of a planned occurance such as a vacation, editors ask someone else to monitor their "assigned" quizzes during their absence. But as we all know, life "happens" and no one can always anticipate that a break in editing time will occur. I believe Linda asks for a system to alleviate THOSE periods of waiting.

Chyenn  (Level: 210.7 - Posts: 1332)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 10:55 AM

while the "hostage quiz" debate raged---

did anyone notice that the quiz Kaelin was questioning earned her an EA?


Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 11:08 AM

I was very excited - AND as a side note, that set aside another "opinion" that I had based on a quiz I wrote about six months ago that I really thought was EA worthy, that got returned to me with the editor pointing out a sentence that seemed muddled to him/her. I corrected, sent it back and it was approved.

I have had several people take and write and tell me they couldn't believe it was not an EA (which made me fell great) and my "opinion" was that because I had to make a correction that's what lost it for me.

My new quiz proves I was wrong - so go forth young quiz writers - and fear not if a great quiz is returned, you may still get the EA!

Sploofus Editor
Sploofusaurus (Editor)  
Fri, 4th Jan '08 4:51 PM

Quite a few times I have returned a quiz that I thought was EA-worthy just to get a bit more information as to the source of the quiz's questions and answers.
Most of us prefer that information to be credited at the bottom of the quiz description.

So please don't be downhearted when a quiz is returned to you, asking for the source to be credited. Like Kaelin, you may get a nice surprise when your quiz is released!

.........Off to edit some quizzes, and reduce the queue.

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