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heidi
Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 8:56 AM

GOING TO SOUND MUCH LIKE FELIX

Let me preface by saying that editors have beeen for the most part kind to me. Being a computer dolt that helps. Just wondering as a really radical thought if we could do without editors on editing and releasing quizzes. They would still be necessary for word puzzles and all. I was here in the preeditor days and as I previously said some quizzes, including my own, were a mess. The thing is we paid for the mistakes with lower ratings and improved-kind folks who knew helped me. EA's were not given to boring quizzes and complaints were not made about censorship and favoritism-suppose there still has to be that in "Chat", but I for one am made rather ill by the elite group-perhaps not all of them editors that dictate how things are run on this site-believe at times one has to step back to go forward-Linda

rnmorg
Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 690)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 9:12 AM

You say "going to sound like Felix" like it's a bad thing; what did Felix ever do to you? What exactly makes you "ill?"

heidi
Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 9:30 AM

Felix has done nothing bad to me. My comment stemmed from his criticism of editors-nothing else. I do not share all of his views but do find it offensive that editors can hold up a quiz whim-ill if you will. Have been told a million times that they volunterer and have other lives. I understand and respect that but do not believe they should have exclusive rights to a quiz when it comes in and is assigned to them. Do I feel there is a bit a favoritism in EA's-you betcha, How could a topic of no apparent interest to anyone that I have ever known receive them time after time when short interesting quizzes are ignored- probably have not explained well but hope you get my point-Linda

1mks
1mks  (Level: 210.8 - Posts: 5883)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 9:37 AM

Linda, do you ever have a happy day? I am a firm believer that we make our own happiness, it just does not drop into our laps. Try to have a good day.

heidi
Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 9:50 AM

I have many happy days. It is just that I don't always say what folks want to hear-Linda

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 10:01 AM

I agree with some of what Linda's saying, that other editors should be able to edit the quiz of another editor if they are going to be away, and maybe EA's should go to shorter quizzes sometimes. I can't imagine we're going to agree on everything though. Have a good day!

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 10:17 AM

I just was looking at the 25 most popular quizzes for the past 10 days Linda - Congrats for holding #2 and #25 at the moment!!!

mightydog
Mightydog  (Level: 110.0 - Posts: 29)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 10:52 AM

wow! Linda, i counted at least 23 quizzes you authored in Dec 07, and 2 more have already been released this month. that's 25 quizzes in 34 days! (someone better skilled in math can give the exact percentage, but that's almost one quiz a day)

your name is always on the list of "25 most popular quizzes"; usually with 2 or more quizzes. you are one of our most prolific writers. your quizzes are interesting and cover a wide variety of subject matter.

given all these facts; i honestly can't see what has upset you so much.

has someone attacked you privately in some way? i hope not. but if they have i'm sure Justin would want the details via a support ticket.

i enjoy your quizzes and i hate to see you so upset.


~~chy~~



chyenn
Chyenn  (Level: 202.5 - Posts: 1332)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 10:58 AM

oops!...

i didn't realize David was still logged in when i started replying to this thread ...

the comments under mightydog above are all mine.

~~chyenn~~

heidi
Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 11:16 AM

No person has offended me- I just don't agree with things like favoritism, a few folks controling the site (other than Justin), and meannness for meanneess sake. I write quizzes -that's what I do. For the most part have received help and support from editors but see things that could/should change and will say so-Linda

rnmorg
Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 690)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 11:58 AM

One thing you'll have to learn to accept, because it ain't gonna change, is that change happens. Change is not good for everyone and I can see that a few people get uncomfortable because things are "not the good ol' way they used to be." Well, the good ol' way wasn't always good, it was just ol'. When I first joined up on this site, the quizzes were edited first and it could take a LONG time before they ever showed up. New quizzes were few and far between. Later, the "instant release" system was in place and the incredible amount of schlock that was churned out was nauseating. People seemed to be competing for who could turn out the simplest drivel possible. Stupid, puerile, ungrammatical, unverifiable quizzes full of misspellings and 'hidden agendas' abounded. The people who turned out quizzes that were halfway readable, more often than not, had copied and pasted their information from other online sources. One very funny example was someone who posted a serious history quiz with information they copied from a "spoof" website. One of the correct answers asserted that over 9 million people had died in the American Civil War!

Heidi, it is truly ironic that your post about quizzes not being edited in a timely manner should appear just a few posts away from one that opines that perhaps there ought not to be any editors at all. Maybe you ought to spread out your "information nobody wants to hear" a little bit. Just a suggestion

heidi
Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 12:08 PM

Perhaps you are correct. We both remember the same "good ole Days" that weren't all that good. But I rememembr kindness and willingness to improve- not a group of sarcastic "know it alls" Obviously other than one lapse I have stayed so believe the site is the best around. That does not mean it is perfect and cannot improve-it has and it will -Linda

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 12:15 PM

Linda, I understand your complaint about Editors owning quizzes, but I don't think you see the big picture here. There are over 1250 quizzes launched each month, and approximately 22% of these have to be returned to the author for some reason or other.

Whenever one of us goes on a vacation we stop editing about one week prior, so hopefully there will be no quizzes hanging in limbo. OR we ask another editor to step in and take one over. AND we all try to check in as often as we can even when we are in hotels in foreign countries! None of us wants to keep a quiz from being launched.

Also, if a returned quiz came back to be picked up by any other editor it would SLOW the process because it would take the new editor a longer time to review. I would not know whether the first editor had already done an extensive plagiarism check so I would do it. That is what takes the most time in editing, and that is what prompted Justin to bring in an editorial staff in the first place: some authors were taking quizzes from other sites and launching them here as their own work, and Sploofus was threatened with lawsuits!

When I send a quiz back for corrections I know exactly what I have edited in it already. When the author resubmits it I get a bright red notice telling me I have a returned quiz waiting, and I cannot edit any other quizzes until I deal with the retuned one. I can quickly scan it for the requested changes and launch it in under a minute if there are no further problems. It's quick, simple and efficient.

I believe that all of the editors go out of their way to be fair. There is simply no way to make some players believe that. Justin chose the editors and this is Justin's site. We all play by his rules. No one makes people stay here if they feel they are being treated unfairly. Justin goes out of his way to treat everyone the same. He has had many private email conversations with several players about their outspoken comments and they have either left the site or agreed to abide by Justin's wishes.

This has now gotten to be quite a long diatribe and I didn't intend to lecture, but I do hope this clears up some of your concerns. Please don't stop voicing your concerns, and don't feel that you have to apologize for expressing your opinion!

heidi
Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 12:52 PM

I thank you for responding. Have loved this site from the get-go. However, believe even Justin whom I deeply admire woulld welcome comments for improvement-Linda Perhaps I have just not submitted my suggestions in the proper forum-have never been a deliberate troublemaker but I just see things that could, in my opinon, be better-Linda

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5314)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 1:17 PM

I would not want to launch a quiz without another set of eyes - an editor - checking over my quiz. I'm not as experienced at writing quizzes as many of you, so maybe you all feel more confident about your quizzes. I've only had a couple of mine sent back for corrections, as I recall, and it was for things that I hadn't considered when I wrote the quiz. I appreciated the correction before the quiz was launched when someone else might have pointed the error out to me.

So far I've had nothing but best of experiences with the editors (and maybe being a newspaper news editor makes me a little more sympathetic) but in this case I'm of the opinion that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.3 - Posts: 2671)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 7:13 PM

My 2 cents: I am very happy that we have quiz editors, for many reasons. I've gotten some super ideas about different ways to word things in my quizzes, my typos are usually caught before I get messages from quiz-takers telling me about them, and I've finally (maybe) gotten clear how commas and quotation marks mesh.

I admit that I do get antsy when my quiz doesn't go live immediately after I've launched it but it's actually pleasant to be able to gripe about anonymous Editors instead of attacking each other.

I also like it when they reset my WP when my computer goes wacko in the middle, and I love their chat comments.

OK, Sploofanatic, have I said enough to get the 5 extra wager tokens and the cheat sheet for the next 2 WPs like you promised?








chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 7:26 PM

WTF? There's an "Elite Group" as well as an "Editor's Group" and I wasn't asked to join either.

This does not bode well for my self-esteem. Calling my therapist now.

Thanks all...always the bridesmaid....

Me.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 7:43 PM

Hey...and Linda, next time bring some cheese.

Me.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 7:57 PM

Chick Breath, you are in the Paranoid-Schizophrenic Group.

I voted you in. I did not.

Why are you staring at us?


rnmorg
Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 690)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 8:37 PM

Oh NO, not THIS again. MPD, not schizophrenia! You can carry on with the paranoia, though.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 9:11 PM


Who put you up to diagnosing us?

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 9:18 PM


smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 9:32 PM

Can anyone get that onion news link that smaug posted to work? Or is it just me?

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 11:11 PM

seems like something sticky there

go to the onion site and search on paranoid schizophrenic. It's hysterical.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 11:14 PM

The link brings you right back to Smaug's profile.

swiper
Swiper  (Level: 146.2 - Posts: 874)
Thu, 3rd Jan '08 11:58 PM

Whether you like Felix or not, whether you agree with Felix or not, he brings up a lot of valid points and issues. I, for one, have learned much from his "need to know" approach and I, for one, am glad he doesn't take any crap, doesn't stop, and finds his way to the answers. Smaug, on the other hand...

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 12:06 AM

You have Felix on one hand and Smaug on the other...must be REALLY HEAVY?



eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 12:06 AM

Swiper sandwich? (shudders)

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 12:10 AM

With Cheese?

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 12:12 AM

and toasted please

swiper
Swiper  (Level: 146.2 - Posts: 874)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 1:03 AM

You guys are TOO Funny!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 1:10 AM

Kelly you're a sweetie, Linda you rock and whatzhername !%$32*7!#!

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 2:26 AM

Unhand me, woman.

Comparisons to Felix are insulting -- unfavorable ones are an act of absurd insanity.

zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.6 - Posts: 1088)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 9:06 AM

I tried www.theonion.com and searched paranoid schizophrenic, but all I got was an article about smallpox vaccine--no video. Anybody else find whatever it was that Smaug referred to?

lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.1 - Posts: 1683)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 9:29 AM


felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Fri, 4th Jan '08 11:24 AM

There is no comparison ( I wear pants).


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