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foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 5:15 PM

A COUPLE OF GENERAL QUESTIONS (PRE-APOLOGY FOR LENGTH)

Tho' I joined Sploofus last March I didn't immediately go for gold membership. Did that in August or September, and have since been looking around a bit more. Just started reading the BBS in the last week. Very interesting.

So... I was just reading a long argument of sorts about the impossibility of cheating at WR and WM. I started doing WR and WM a couple of months ago and I figured out quickly that it's not possible to cheat, which got me to wondering how folks do the teeners. I've done it once and I believe it was because of a computer glitch. My hypothesis was/is that people with excellent short term memory would do well at WM (they wouldn't have to go back and forth between the clues and the word list), and that people with excellent peripheral vision and hand/eye coordination are gonna rock at both. Any thoughts?

But in the aforementioned discussion someone described a technique of using the enter key and the arrow keys. Is that solely for Windows folks, because I can't see that the arrow keys are any better or faster than the scroll wheel mouse on my Apple. The enter key does nothing.

My other question concerns the points awarded for WM/WR. I can't run with the big dogs, so once I get a decent time, I burn the rest of my 10 attempts just to see if I can get a nugget or diamond. I can hit top 10 on occasion, and almost always top 20, but because of the way points are distributed I could place in the 40s and get nearly the same number of points. Why is that? Sometimes I find myself logging in at 56 or 57 minutes after the hour, I go slow, get 100 percent on each, finish in the 20s and pick up 1,000 points without much effort. That seems odd to me. Has this always been the case?

Again, sorry for length.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 5:27 PM

With the down arrow key, you also have to use the tab key. I don't do it - prefer to scroll. I've had 14 seconds before and suppose I could shave a second or two off by using the tab & down arrow keys, but just don't care anymore. When I do play, I play to see if I can get a nugget. Which is rare for me. I even had a nightmare last night that a nugget round came up and I couldn't get my mouse to work. How pathetic is that?

One thing that I find helps me with speed in the WR's & WM's, is if the definition is just one word and the answer is the same word. Every now and then, you can get a whole WR just like that and you just fly through and click.

As far as points go, I always felt that, in addition to being scored for your placement on the boards (1-10), that each person should get an extra number of points if they score a 100%. That rewards the people who are not fast but still accurate. And these points would be tiered with your membership level. You don't pay to play, you get two rounds per hour. Two changes at 100% and the extra points. You pay for a gold membership, you get ten chances per hour at the extra points. You pony up for a platinum, you get unlimited chances at the bonus points for 100% rounds. Just my humble opinion.

(This is the part where MissAshlee comes on and poopoo's on me for suggesting that paying more for a platinum membership shouldn't give us any more benefits than those who pay less or not at all).

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 5:28 PM

No apology needed. Your question is still shorter than a recent WordPuzzle. Also if this question were a quiz you'd probably get an EA as they seem to about wordiness as well. The points you bring up are valid. They are why on average no more than 50 (do the math) out 37,000+ players even try per hour.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 5:56 PM

But most of those 50 throw down the big bucks and support the whole site for those who can't or won't pay.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:14 PM

I pay! So what's your point?

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:17 PM

Bow to your (platinum) Sensei!

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:18 PM

No need to internalize everything; it was just an observation, not an attack.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:22 PM

You Editors slay me! Happy New Year, Smoke.

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:33 PM

My feelings are going to be vastly unpopular, but I don't really see a huge need for points of any kind on this site. The major gains are always done with wagers. There are way too many varying ways to earn (and lose!) points for someone's "total" to give you any indication of where/how/if they excel. Luck does play a major role, as does paying for membership, experience, and if you know little tricks. Finding out a couple weeks ago that hitting F11 sent me to full screen has helped me out tons. I even got my first teener today (arm broken in two from patting myself on the back)!! I think listing statistics gives you a better view of their skill level. However, I know those who have accumulated a huge mass of points may find them too precious to let go, and the drama of a big wager win or loss is fun. But they really are arbitrary.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:35 PM

But they are just 'Points' right?

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:38 PM

"felix got right to the point" said Erin..pointedly

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:39 PM

Point taken.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:40 PM

Here's an idea even more unpopular (with Justin, anyway). It would be fun if points could be traded for real prizes or items from the store.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:41 PM

Points are the only way we have to measure ourselves against our own goals and our fellow players.

You know how some politicians vote against certain bills repeatedly to detract people from their secret personal lives? I'm starting to wonder if Felix is an editor. That and the fact that he has "editor" written into the tag of his underwear. At least he wears boxer briefs but I was still terribly distracted by the black crew socks.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:44 PM

Please let's stay on point, here.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:45 PM

Laughs & points?

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:47 PM

Lodi, you were going to FedEx my socks back to me. What's up with that? I am a very proud chicken de-beaker, and would never stoop to being an Editor.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:47 PM


ewwww

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:49 PM

She's not all that bad Smaug!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 6:53 PM

My biggest surprise on this site is that it's not a trivia site. It's a humor trivia site. Didn't see it advertised that way, but I shirley enjoy it.

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 7:00 PM

Wouldn't speed, accuracy, etc. statistics also at least qualify as a way to measure ourselves against our own goals and our fellow players? I'm pretty sure those with huge points would have amazing statistics, and statistics can't be lost in a fluke wager. But I do enjoy the fun aspect that the points bring into the game, so I'm not really advocating their abolishment, just their sense of importance.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 7:07 PM

They have different levels of importance to different people. That's one thing they have in common with money. I care more about position than points, but without the points system, how would we determine the positions?

Lodi, you may be onto something. Constant bellyaching and fingerpointing would be the perfect cover for an editor.


eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 7:09 PM

(retracts finger)

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 7:10 PM

Funny, but I always thought the best way so detect an Editor was to watch out for nose picking and butt scratching. Go figure.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 7:49 PM

Editors think I'm a jerk and pain in the can. They should talk to the guy who was my
supposed supervisor for thirty years. He had a real pain with PapermanBill.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sat, 12th Jan '08 7:51 PM

Everyone at work loves me.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.2 - Posts: 3936)
Sun, 13th Jan '08 1:47 AM

Eesus makes a good point that sometimes you get easy WRs with 1-word definitions. And the more pops you take in an hour, the more likely you'll get one that you can hit out of the park at some point. I know I've done a lot better since going Platinum.

Erin makes a point about the points being chump change. That is true for many, but not universally. First, there are many among us who won't touch a wager token with a 10-foot pole. Secondly, when you are low level, the points you can amass are quite significant in relation to your total, and you can really develop a bond to those thousand or so points per hour that is really hard to shake later on when they mean nothing to your 10-figure total.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Sun, 13th Jan '08 5:47 PM

I did okay on wagers - but got majorly burned a few months back and lost 5 million points.

It is a real struggle to regain those back, points I earned for my quizzes, and at this point, I've decided wagers aren't worth it. I don't do showdowns anymore unless someone challenges me.

The last challenge I did which I was VERY confident and correct on took me 5 seconds - read the profile of the person that I was going up against ahead of time, but normally what I'm looking for is their showdown victories, sploofactors, etc. Usually it is helpful in a decision as to whether to stage the showdown or not - but unfortunately, my dial up adds a few seconds, and the fact that the question I was presented was the EXACT area the person I was going up against had listed as an area of expertise - may have added an extra second too - and I got whipped - by how much I don't know (I would love that to be part of the results - you lost by .01 seconds - would at least make me feel better for some unexplainable reason)

My normal categories of words that I choose to wager on were the ones that killed me, so I'm just gun shy now. I gave up on my other favorite of music after getting too many rap questions.

I've decided to take the "whose line is it anyway" attitude about points not counting and just enjoying the people and taking baby steps - call me chicken - that's okay - I can live with that It's taken me 2 months to gain back 3 million of the points I lost - so I'm just going to hang on to 'em from now on -

bravegator
Bravegator  (Level: 152.0 - Posts: 428)
Sun, 13th Jan '08 6:07 PM

Regarding trading points for real prizes...when I first joined (2005) there were Amazon gift cards given for the top 3 monthly finishers in various categories. I think the problem was that Amazon might have pulled their prize support, and Justin couldn't afford to keep the site running AND pay out his own $ for winners. I had won once in the time when prizes were still given, theoretically. I got a notice that I had won, but the prizes were delayed slightly. When I never did get anything, I just chalked it up to its being just too expensive to do. As cut-throat as it is now for just points and glory, I would hate to see what we would do to win if we were to be offered actual prizes.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Sun, 13th Jan '08 7:02 PM

I think trading for prizes would be great.

As a business person, I have looked at the advertising, but my budget can't afford it, but I could budget $25.00 prizes each month for the top 3 for that month - I'm sure there are other much bigger companies that could do this maybe - sounds awesome to me

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 13th Jan '08 8:55 PM

I'm just the opposite about winning/losing points. To me they don't exist, cause I can't see 'em or do anything with them.

I think it's a hoot to wager and win a ton of points. But it doesn't bother me a bit to lose 'em all. I mean, they're just sitting there doing nothing. I wouldn't know they were there if I didn't put on my glasses! ha

Maybe they'd like to get out and go play with somebody else.

I have no ego whatsoever about them, and I'm not here to prove anything to anybody but myself, and there's not one member in the 37173 here who gives a hoot whether I have any points or not.

Answering questions correctly once in awhile is cool, missing them but learning something is fun, and points are just little ghosts/phantoms/invisible toys that happen to live at the top of my page. I came into this world with none, and I'll leave this world someday with none.

Unless I could trade them for what's behind door #1!

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Sun, 13th Jan '08 9:33 PM

I actually appreciate the cavalier approach to points, but I guess I'm too competitive. I want to move up and I need the points to do that. But seriously, is there any way I'm going to wangle my measly 4 million into 60 billion? Ha! I say. And Ha! again. So here I sit on my 16 wager tokens. Just biding my time.

One thing I did learn the hard way, which I don't believe is in the FAQs, is that when you wager and lose you also go back to the beginning of your level (you lose the accumulated points to get you to the next level). I lost my first wager and lost more than a week's worth of correct TQOTD answers. That ticked me off. Now the right category has to come at just the right time for me to even consider wagering.

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.5 - Posts: 2671)
Sun, 13th Jan '08 10:06 PM

I wager only on Vocabulary questions, and if one comes up when I'm near the top of my level I hold off answering it until I get to the next level.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 13th Jan '08 10:39 PM

I got from my first million to my first billion pretty fast, and I did it by wagering the max on my best categories every chance I got, and all the showdowns I could get. The down side is the occasional loss that takes the wind out of you and makes you say rude words. All part of the game.

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Mon, 14th Jan '08 7:12 AM

I'd like to donate my points to needy children.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 14th Jan '08 7:17 AM

That's wonderful. Wish I could see their happy little faces.



smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 14th Jan '08 5:20 PM

Felix is a player hater.

allena
Allena  (Level: 256.0 - Posts: 1393)
Mon, 14th Jan '08 6:39 PM

When Maurlin lost two wagers, I felt very sorry for her. I knew what she meant. Then I lost three straight. I almost agreed with Kaufman. However, I needed the points. I have firm information that you can take them to heaven ... St. Peter evaluates your cloud based not just on how many points you earned but how you earned them ... cheaters lose all of their points.

leeze83
Leeze83  (Level: 35.2 - Posts: 70)
Tue, 15th Jan '08 10:58 PM

re: **My other question concerns the points awarded for WM/WR. I can't run with the big dogs, so once I get a decent time, I burn the rest of my 10 attempts just to see if I can get a nugget or diamond. **

i wanna nugget!!! gimme!!


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