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Phitzy1  (Level: 66.4 - Posts: 873)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 10:14 AM


Last Evening, My brother, Ralph was bitten by a Pit Bull.

He had been house sitting for another brother, Jesse, and Jesse's little dog, Cleo, got out of the house when the front door was opened. Cleo ran out to the road where a neighbor was walking his dog on a leash. Ralph ran out to the road to get Cleo and was apologizing to the man. He scooped Cleo (a Jack Russel) up and turned to go into the house. The Pit pulled hard at the leash, ran after Ralph and bit him at the top of his thigh removing a very large section of flesh.

A friend who was visiting, saw the incident and called 911. Scott (the friend) tied a torniquet around Ralph's leg until the Medics arrived. The dog narrowly missed Ralph's Femoral Artery and scrotum.

The medics missed picking up the piece of skin and muscle.

He will be in and out of the doctor's for a while. The wound will have to be wet packed and he'll have to go through plastic surgery and skin grafting.

Please keep him in your thoughts...

Taco24  (Level: 129.0 - Posts: 589)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 10:18 AM

I am so sorry to hear that. I was once bitten by such a dog. The dog was kept on a chain in front of a house. As I was taking a walk, he broke free and attacked me. I needed shots. of course. It is a very upsetting experience. I still dread that particular breed of dog.

I will keep both of you in my thoughts and prayers.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 10:23 AM

Wasn't somebody on here looking at adopting a couple of pit bulls recently?

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 10:39 AM

Not me. I know dogs, and you can say "it's not the dog, it's the owner" until you're blue, but a dog is essentially a collection of instincts, and the instincts of a pitbull are dangerously difficult to socialize. Add to that an ineffective owner and you have a tragedy.

I'm so sorry, Phitz. My best to your brother.

What's going to happen with the pitbull, do you know?

Diva305  (Level: 145.6 - Posts: 1641)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 10:56 AM

Oh Phitzy.....SO SORRY!

Hope your bro will be ok soon!

As Smoke said.......

Pit Bulls are illegal here in Dade County (Miami) and going to be in Broward (Fort Lauderdale area). We know why!

Too bad it wasn't Vick instead of your brother.

Who can we sue?

1mks  (Level: 208.0 - Posts: 5864)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 10:57 AM

Ruth, I am so very sorry. You and your family and definitely in my thoughts. M

Gypsylady  (Level: 140.8 - Posts: 6036)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 11:04 AM

Ruth, I'm really sorry about your brother! I like dogs, and we have a white Spitz, and have had (2) Pomeranians, but I have always been afraid of Pit Bulls, and Rotweillers, and have worried about kids and grandkids if they were to get around them. Hope your brother heals well and gets along fine.


Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 11:05 AM

Surely there are enough tragedies with this type of dog to warrant the banning of it being kept as a pet. My sympathies to your brother, hope he recovers soon. Regards Bill

Nelly  (Level: 169.5 - Posts: 1167)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 11:07 AM

Looks like some tough times ahead, Ruth - will be thinking of Ralph, you and Jesse.

Winddancer41  (Level: 63.3 - Posts: 1113)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 11:14 AM

Ruth hope your brother will soon be feeling better. I really wonder when people are going to realize these dog are bred to be fighting dogs and not pets especially in an area where there are children or even other dogs who are not able to defend themselves. And don't get me wong i love dogs had them most of my life but i would never put anyone else in harms way with this type of dog. Again good luck to your brother and will be thinking of him and his family. Charlotte

Cjar855  (Level: 133.4 - Posts: 838)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 11:27 AM

What a horrible experience . I hope that he heals soon.


Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 11:52 AM

So sorry Phitz...I'll keep him in my thoughts.

Those dogs are banned in a number of counties across the US. Insurance companies also charge larger premiums for owning pit bulls, rots, german shepards and a few others.

I don't know when we, as a society, are going to get this right. Certain breeds of dogs are instinctively more aggressive and bite to mame/kill. There is no need for these kinds of "pets".


Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 12:21 PM

Phitz, I'll definitely be sending good thoughts and prayers your way. I hope he goes through treatment smoothly and with minimal pain.

Smeans  (Level: 109.2 - Posts: 301)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 12:50 PM

Donna, I understand completely what you are saying about it's not the owner sometimes that makes a dog aggressive but sometimes it's the dogs instincts. Sarah can get snappy, and for some reason she HATES little girls and is more likely to snap at them than anyone else. She snapped at a little girl in the neighborhood a couple weeks ago when the girl ran down our sidewalk to where my son and a couple of his friends were playing. Sarah is not familiar with the girl at all because they just moved in a few months ago and well with the weather the kids hadn't been outside until that day. So now she is back to wearing a muzzle every time she is outside until we can get her adjusted to this new little girl and get her to stop being snappy and aggressive towards her. It's not something we have encouraged and have actually spent the last 5 years trying to break her from doing it but the instincts are still there. It's a cycle we go through every time someone moves into the neighborhood. Getting Sarah adjusted to the new kids so she doesn't snap at them if they get too close to her "territory". She's only got aggressive with me once when she was around a year and a half old. For her aggressiveness she got tackled and pinned to the floor with my hand around her muzzle, me laying across her body and biting the back of her neck while "growling" at her until she stopped fighting and accepted that she was NOT the alpha female in the house and that I would not hesitate to take her down a few notches when needed. Since that day, she has never growled, snapped or acted aggressively towards me at all. Until Sarah I was one that believed it was the owner that made a dog mean. Now I don't because despite all our efforts Sarah still has an aggressive streak. I knew her mother was aggressive but thought that in a loving home that we could change that and she wouldn't be aggressive. Wrong....some instincts and things that are ingrained are to strong to be cured merely by being in a loving home.

I've heard rumors that one of the neighbors that just moved in across the street last week has a pit bull although I haven't seen it so I am leery about letting the kids outside when I am not out there with them. I don't trust pit bulls as far as I can throw them. I also don't trust the German Shepard mix dog that lives up the hill since it got free from it's owner (a little old lady about 65 years old and looks like a strong wind could easily blow her away she's so frail) and went after David while he was waiting on the school bus. Thankfully one of the teenagers was able to step in and grab the leash and stop the dog before it got to David, who happened to be closest the the womans yard when it yanked it's leash free and went after the kids.

Ruth, thank god the damage wasn't any worse. I hope your brother makes a quick recovery. It won't be an easy recovery that's for sure with the skin grafts and such but I hope it's a relatively quick one. You all are in my thoughts and prayers.

Salzypat  (Level: 154.3 - Posts: 5295)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 12:57 PM

I'm so sorry for your brother's pain and suffering, Phitzy. Any dog bite is terrifying, but one that inflicts so much damage is life-changing.

Please let him know that so many are wishing him well in his recovery.

Embee  (Level: 86.7 - Posts: 362)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 2:13 PM

YIKES! Your brother is in my thoughts. I hope everything turns out OK.

Smaug  (Level: 140.7 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 2:39 PM

Naturally, total sympathy to the injured party.

As to the dog stuff, let's remember which dog was on a leash and which was running free. I don't have experience with pit bulls, and I wouldn't own one because they are fugly, but I know Rottweilers and Dobermans can be raised and just be total wimps like golden retrievers. On the other hand, we had a blond labrador that was so aggressive, even with us, that we had to return it to the breeder.

So. I don't think it is all nature or all nurture with dogs. Or people for that matter.

And PS: the dog I hated most in the world was this little Jack Russell a neighbor had. I would have fed it to any local pit bull with gravy and great glee, the little yappy rat....

Smeans  (Level: 109.2 - Posts: 301)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 5:09 PM

Very true Smaug, it's the genetics that causes alot of it. The only two dogs I have ever been bitten by were a Miniature Poodle and a Pomeranian. I have known many wonderful German Shepherd dogs that wouldn't hurt a flea but this one up the hill is a bit aggressive. I have yet to meet the pit bull that moved in across the street and I am hoping that it's genetics are good and it isn't a vicious dog but I won't trust it until I see if for myself and see how it reacts around people and kids.

Scifidwarf  (Level: 138.0 - Posts: 249)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 5:12 PM

I will keep your brother in my prayers. I was bitten in the face by a cocker spaniel when I was 16. It sucks to say the least and I will definitely pray for him.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 5:19 PM

Smaug bit me.

Nelly  (Level: 169.5 - Posts: 1167)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 6:27 PM

He obviously needs a muzzle and a leash, Lodi! lol

Smaug  (Level: 140.7 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 6:43 PM

As long as there is a safe word, fine.

1mks  (Level: 208.0 - Posts: 5864)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 8:24 PM

OMG...has he had his shots??????????

Smaug  (Level: 140.7 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 30th Mar '08 8:28 PM

you better not mean me.

1mks  (Level: 208.0 - Posts: 5864)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 6:08 AM

Missgeorge  (Level: 63.0 - Posts: 388)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 8:52 AM

I am a dog bite attack survivor. 13 years ago, a black lab mangled my right forearm and my forehead. I have a 6" scar on my right forearm, and tiny scars on my scalp. It hurt to get shampooed at the beauty parlor for approx. 18 months.

The best advice I can give to you is the wound needs to be kept clean and DRY. My wound got wet, and ended up getting IV antibiotics.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.

1mks  (Level: 208.0 - Posts: 5864)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 10:18 AM

Do you have an update for us? Keep us posted please.

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 10:39 AM

I'm so sorry about your brother, Ruth.
Reminds me of that sad saying "No good deed goes unpunished"!!!!
Hope your bother is not in pain now,and that he will recover
quickly - both physically and emotionally.

Diva305  (Level: 145.6 - Posts: 1641)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 11:32 AM

The pit bull's unusual breeding history has produced some bizarre behavioral traits, de- scribed by The Economist's science editor in an article published a few years ago, at the peak of a heated British controversy over dangerous dogs that saw the pit bull banned in England. First, the pit bull is quicker to anger than most dogs, probably due to the breed's unusually high level of the neurotransmitter L-tyrosine. Second, pit bulls are frighteningly tenacious; their attacks frequently last for 15 minutes or longer, and nothing—hoses, violent blows or kicks—can easily stop them. That's because of the third behavioral anomaly: the breed's remarkable insensitivity to pain. Most dogs beaten in a fight will submit the next time they see the victor. Not a defeated pit bull, who will tear into his onetime vanquisher. This, too, has to do with brain chemistry. The body releases endorphins as a natural painkiller. Pit bulls seem extra-sensitive to endorphins and may generate higher levels of the chemical than other dogs. Endorphins are also addictive: "The dogs may be junkies, seeking pain so they can get the endorphin buzz they crave,"

While many pit bulls are well-loved pets, it's hard to know which version is coming down the street. To many people, pit bulls are scary: "Frankenstein canines," as one legislator called them, with bulging chest and shoulder muscles, a brick-like snout and looming square head. With an estimated 1,200 pounds of force per square inch (according to the Journal of Trauma in 1989), a pit bull's jaw has 10 times the crushing power of those of other large dogs, including German Shepherds, Rottweilers and Dobermans. Pit bulls don't just bite, they clamp. In a few terrifying, frenzied moments, they can "de-glove" the flesh from a human arm, pull limbs off, penetrate clear through the abdomen, snap the body's largest bones.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 6:46 PM

I am so sorry about Ralph and the traumatic event - I hope he is healing well, no infection, and pain controlled. Thanks to everyone for all the info.

What I've found is that anybody else's dog is a threat to anyone else. It's part of their makeup. My kids have a Rottie and a Doberman, and horses. The dogs are very protective and anyone who comes on their ranch will take their lives in their own hands. Yet the dogs are verbally under control by the owners. The only one who has bitten anyone in the family is - my Yorkie! I'm not tt he pro in training that they are. But Winston will protect me with his life.

I don't care what the breed (well, my Goldens will lick you to death!). But I think we all should beware of any dog that is not ours. And I don't dare take pizza crust from Winston, myself!

Phitzy1  (Level: 66.4 - Posts: 873)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 9:07 PM

First, thanks for all your messages of support...Ralph and I are closest in age, and, to be honest, I have always thought that my mother wanted twins but settled for us (Ralph and Ruth).

Ralph is getting over his anger, a little...we've been talking about healthy attitudes and positive behaviors and embracing anger as a healer. The Docs estimate 3 to 6 months to heal the initial wound...wet sterile packing and keeping out of water are the two biggest things, We have a nurse in the family so the packings won't be bad, but he is am addicted surfer; the waves break and he's on 'em...nothing a wetsuit can block or help so NO SURF FOR YOU!!!

After that, the fun begins with grafts and tissue replacement...

Thing of half a baseball; that's how much he lost...

We'll work through it, as a family, which I'm happy to have around me, whether it's blood or Sploof...

I love all of you! Thanks for letting me purge...

1mks  (Level: 208.0 - Posts: 5864)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 9:10 PM

Hang in there.....if you need a shoulder...mine is big and fluffy. Take care. M

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 9:51 PM

Will there be any recourse for Ralph? Dog put down, owner's ass kicked, etc.?

Sherilynn1962  (Level: 116.2 - Posts: 372)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 10:53 PM

My prayers are with your brother and your family. What a terrible thing to have happen. Here's hoping for a very speedy recovery.

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Mon, 31st Mar '08 11:14 PM

I'm with Lodi....what about the dumbass dog? How does he get to go on about his life? BOOM (shotgun there)


Missgeorge  (Level: 63.0 - Posts: 388)
Tue, 1st Apr '08 8:05 AM

Chickbref1 had a very valid point. To make a long story short, I was the 5th (honest) person to be bitten by the black lab who attacked me. I blame sloppy record keeping by the county animal control.

To add insult to injury, the owner of the dog claimed poverty, and I did not collect a dime.

Thankfully, I had a sensational surgeon who repaired the nerve damage in my right arm.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 1st Apr '08 8:10 AM

I agree. A dog under leash that STILL cannot be controlled should be addressed by the law. (And if I had an animal that did such damage to an innocent bystander, that dog would be put down by me before the sunset, no matter how much I loved it.) The owner should be liable for all medical expenses. He did not control his property.

Phitzy1  (Level: 66.4 - Posts: 873)
Tue, 1st Apr '08 9:31 AM

Ralph met with an attorney yesterday, had wound site photos taken and all that stuff, so the wheels of the law are turning.

He may have a suit against the city as Police and Animal Control didn't respond (required by a "dog bite" call).

The attorney he hired is a former State's Attorney...

I'll be keeping all of you posted, thanks for the well wishes...


Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 1st Apr '08 12:20 PM

And I know Smaug mentioned which dog was unleashed. But the unleashed dog didn't do the biting.

Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Tue, 1st Apr '08 5:17 PM

Hey Ruth.. I hope your brother recovers quickly and with no major problems. My son was bitten by a dog "known to snap". Not nearly as severe as your brother but, he was 4 at the time and it was very scary. The dog in question had snapped at someone else that very same day (at a local baseball game with all our friends) and was put on a muzzle for a short time. The muzzle came off before we got there, and my son became the next victim - bit him on the stomach. The dog was quarantined for 10 days and returned to its owner, showing no signs of rabies. No repercussion, no nothing. And, it took the owner (an acquaintance) over 2 months to call and apologize. GGrrrrrrr.

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