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pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Fri, 4th Apr '08 8:13 PM

"LOST" THEORIES

What do you think is the reason why the Oceanic Six left the island and won't go back? We know Kate can't go back because of the ruling in her trial. But, why won't the others go back.

Of course, my theory is that they DO go back.

pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Fri, 2nd May '08 6:01 AM

I think they do too!



pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Fri, 2nd May '08 6:05 AM

Sorry
Not much discussion there. It's 3am and I should've logged off long ago - I think I'd be a little too incoherent if I tried to get into the craziness in tonight's show right now.
Great episode though. There's been so much lately that I feel like I need to watch it again almost as soon as it's done!

S.

pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Fri, 2nd May '08 7:24 PM

They might feel guilty about how they got off the island - maybe not everyone was agreed on who should or shouldn't go. I always feel like there's guilt there, but maybe it's just survivor guilt.
Maybe they're just scared they couldn't get back. Or maybe they discussed who should stay and who should go and the ones who stayed agreed it would be too dangerous to try to get back.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 3rd May '08 12:51 PM

Survivor guilt is a good idea. There obviously was a split between who would follow Jack and who would follow Locke. Hurley initially went with Locke, but I guess we'll see how he eventually went with Jack to get off the island.

I'm also curious as to what happened to Sawyer and what Kate is doing for Sawyer that she doesn't want Jack to know.

Also, is Jack's father really alive? He or his ghost keeps popping up. Talk about someone who won't stay dead.

I believe the creators of the show said this isn't purgatory and that the main characters who crashed aren't dead. Maybe some of this will be explained by the experiments that were conducted at the different stations on the island.

"Lost" reminds me of a book where clues and things are intentionally done but not explained throughout the story, but a big payoff comes at the end. We're slowing being told things that answer small to medium questions, but the big question(s) still aren't answered. Why this group of people, exactly how did they "crash" land, what is behind the big battle behind Widmore and Ben (and/or the Dharma group)?

pafick
Pafick  (Level: 64.1 - Posts: 2)
Sat, 3rd May '08 2:38 PM

I also think they will go back to the island. and the whole survivors guilt thing...thats what I was thinkin too, but there seems to be a feeling of urgency when they talk about it, y'know? like they KNOW that something will happen if they don't go back. so the guilt builds cause they've been choosing to stay.

and yeah, there's just SO much happening! it's so difficult to remember everything thats going on after, huh? that whole part with Hurley sayin that they're all dead? that was crazy wasn't it? there's something goin on with death on the island. like Michael not being able to die 'cause the island won't let him yet? and Charlie coming back and telling Hurley that yes, he is dead, but he's also here. I'm thinkin that everyone is assuming "ghosts" because that makes the most sense, but I don't think that's quite right. or maybe they are ghosts? and the explanation will be that when you die, you don't go away? just move over to a different dimension or something? I dunno...that's too easy...it must be something more mysterious, yes? and the previews for next week showed that guy, I forget his name but he was a Dharma guy. and the clip showed him with...was it with Locke and Hurley? don't remember now, it was too quick. but...that guy was suppose to have died in the purge, yet there he is...walkin n' talkin. then there's Jack's dad too...and...that Miles guy who supposedly can talk to the "ghosts" and...I'm sorry I'm rambling and just kinda thinkin and typin all willy-nilly =) so...I'll stop.
oh yeah, one more thing though. I was surprised that Danielle was really dead. we're y'all too? cause...I wanted to know more about her. I thought we would get a flashback of her sooner or later!
anyway...I'm glad this group is here cause I heart Lost =)


pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 3rd May '08 4:29 PM

I heart "Lost", too.

Yes, I was Shocked when Danielle kicked the bucket. Ben seems to mourn but is still pretty darn cold.

The fact that Jack got sick on an island where everyone gets well and some can't die...huh? Except I think the appendicitis thing was a ruse and he was made intentionally sick to have the surgery in an attempt to prevent him from leaving...

I'm hoping we see "Jacob" this week. I'm expecting that a couple more answers will come from him...

pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Fri, 9th May '08 2:35 AM

Wow!!! That was a great episode.

Is Claire dead?? I was totally rolling my eyes in the episode where the whole house was blown apart but Claire was almost completely unhurt. Maybe she actually died then! She looked so completely different in the cabin - that calm, knowing look on her face.

And good call to Pafick!! You knew that was Christian in the cabin ages and ages ago! =D

The flashbacks with Locke were amazing. When never-aging eyelinery guy came to his house? The thing about having Locke choose which item was his gave me chills. It was so ... mythological! Did he pick the wrong thing? Is he fighting his destiny? Or is he choosing his own destiny, despite what 'they' think it should be?

I heart Lost too! =)

pafick
Pafick  (Level: 64.1 - Posts: 2)
Fri, 9th May '08 11:00 AM

ooOOOhhh!!! good thought Pafork! Claire may have died in the blast! I didn't even think of that...when I saw her in the cabin I thought...oh, she's dead! but I couldn't think of how. and yeah...Christian in the cabin =) not Jacob though. so here's a thought...that whole thing with Locke when he was a boy? and eyelinery young forever man came to his house? well (the whole thing gave me chills too!)it instantly reminded me of how the reincarnation of Dalai Lama is found after his death. y'all know about that? well, when they think they may have found the right boy? they lay things out...things that belonged to the Dalai Lama, and they ask they boy to choose whatever items he wants to choose. if he chooses the things that belonged to the Dalai Lama? they know they have the right man. so...is Locke, like...the reincarnation of Jacob? and why did he choose the knife too? I loved that part =) eyelinery sure was pissed! hehehe...but I'm thinkin too that it's him trying to choose his own destiny...fighting something...like it reminded me of that thing they're always having him say: "don't tell me what I can't do!" so, y'know? it's like he knew when he was about to do it that he shouldn't take the knife but he wanted to.

and...and...oh! I wanna write more, but I'm too busy right now...so...later!

pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Fri, 9th May '08 3:50 PM

I love the Dalai Lama test idea.

There was just so much going on in that episode! How about little John drawing a picture of the smoke monster??

I was reading Lost theory posts for the last hour - I need to not do that - it just makes my head spin. =)

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 10th May '08 11:11 PM

I haven't read "Lost" message boards in about a year, but I think I'm going to check them out again.

Great analogy on the Dali Lhama. I think the eyeliner-forever-young-guy is Richard Alpert (don't ask me how I remember that name). Let's see, he was there when Locke was little, he was there when Ben was little and he was there when blonde doctor (Elizabeth?) decided to come to the island.

Plus, the bald African American man (orderly) who almost pushed Locke's wheelchair off the edge of the stairway was also in the mental institution where Hurley was.

I want to revisit what each of the 6 Dharma stations was for. This "I'm dead" thing is probably related to at least one of them. Plus, Ben said something interesting that the island wanted him sick but wanted Locke well. And, remember for right now, Michael can't die.

Did you guys see freeze frames of Jacob from last year. It was posted on a message board, and honest to goodness, Jacob looked like Locke. At that time my theory was that Locke was a plant and was part of the Others, because he seems to be the cause of several people's deaths or preventing them from leaving the island.

I really feel like the story is picking up the pace now...At one time I had read a theory that Jack's father was behind the whole thing...I think we're going to learn why the Oceanic folks were individually picked to end up on this island.

Plus, in the promos for next week, they are to "move" the island? That's one of the six stations' experiments (I forget what they called it). I think the island has moved a lot, that's why you've seen things that shouldn't have been there - the downed Nigerian plan, the Black Rock, the polar bears, etc.

pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Tue, 13th May '08 2:47 AM

Oh I hadn't thought of that - the polar bears, black rock, etc. being 'picked up' when the island was in different places - or different times. I like that.
And the island moving might explain why there are only six survivors. If Sayid comes back and can only take 5 people to the ship with him at a time, and then the island moves before he can get back ... ? Maybe.
There's SO much I'd like to go back and check out. I've been hoping there would be a book that would give detailed synopses of all the episodes - a lot of scifi shows have them - but I haven't seen a good one yet.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Thu, 15th May '08 2:45 PM

I also wish I had a "companion" book to help keep up with the many threads.

I keep thinking that when this whole thing is wrapped up that they'll do a movie version of the straight story line, no flash back or forward, and you'll see how everything was tied together.

I think the different stations introduced in Season 2, explain the different phenomenon - magnetic pull, transportation, medical anomalies, etc. Just can't figure out that smoke monster.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Thu, 15th May '08 10:32 PM

Ok.. I'm watching now.. why the HE** are they lying about the survivors????????

I absolutely LOVE and HATE this show lol .. every time they give us an answer, they create more questions.. grrrrrrr

pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Fri, 16th May '08 11:14 PM

I'm so curious to find that out! Why don't they want anyone to know they're still out there? (I'm assuming some of them ARE still out there because of the flash forwards where some of them want to go back.)

And now I'm also dying to find out how THOSE six end up together, with 3 of them now on the ship, Hurley off with Locke & Ben, and Jack & Sayd together with no idea where Hurley is.

I was having the love/hate thing for a while in the ... 2nd season? I was getting a little tired of mystery mystery mystery and no answers. I'm just loving it now though. I think every single episode this season has been fantastic.

Pepper, I'd love to see a chronological synopsis when the whole thing's over! That's a great idea.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Fri, 16th May '08 11:35 PM

LOL - love/hate is just about right. But this abbreviated season, I'm lovin' it. I just saw the episode recorded last night and can hardly wait for the season finale in a couple of weeks.

What do you hope will be answered?

1. Like you, I want to know how the six got on board that plane to Hawaii. Did they leave the island via the ship (which we now see has explosives on it, yet Sun and Aaron are on board)? Did they come back on the helicopter? The guy who is making his second trip in the little boat to bring back people to the ship - what happened?

2. Who is Richard Alpert aligned with (the guy that looks like Anthony Perkins)? He and "others?" have Sawyer and Kate at gunpoint, marching them where?

3. Ben signaled who? on the mountaintop at the Orchid station (Jacob?)

4. Jack meeting Claire's mother at his father's wake kind of explains his initial reaction of avoiding Aaron. Not so much that it's Claire's baby but his father's grandson by the "sister" Jack never new he had. He's obviously loyal to his mother and doesn't like the idea of his father creating this second family.

5. Did they successfully "move" the island? And where is it now?

6. Where is Widmore, and more importantly, where is Penny? A couple of seasons ago, the final episode showed her talking to two guys who had spotted the island "explosion" (when Desmond pulled the fail safe key) of the hatch.

7. And what about all these "dead" people - Jack's father and those who make an appearance to warn people - like Charlie?

I'm hoping the answers and the progression of the plot continues to move at this speed for the final two seasons.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Tue, 20th May '08 12:56 AM

Hey Pepper...Those are just about all my questions as well....following are comments on your questions:

1. Lets not forget that there ARE 2 seasons left so, where ever they are on the island (or the freighter) now may have nothing to do with how the 6 make it to civiliation. I'm afraid the cliffhanger this week left me thinking that Jin, Michael and Desmond may be in BIG trouble.

2. I think these other 'others' branched away from Ben at some point.

3. Good question.. very curious

4. Freaked me out.. I totally forgot about the Jack/Claire relationship revealed earlier.. I was as surprised as Jack at the time lol. As an aside, talk about perfect casting for Jack's parents.. they could really be his!

5. I think the Island has been moved in the past... it explains the time lapse from the freighter to the island, why it's so difficult to find, etc.

6. Widmore is around, I think we'll even see him on the island soon. We've seen Penny a few times since then. Remember when Charlie turned off the signal interference thingamagig underwater? Just before 'bad guy' blew out the window, Charlie got a signal from Penny on the screen. At the time, Desmond thought it was Penny on the freighter but, Penny said no, it's not her. And then earlier this season when Desmond and Sayid made it to the freighter, Desmond was time travelling and got Penny's phone number and told her he's going to call her in 4 years. She didn't understand then, and was very angry (they had broken up) but, Desmond did call her from the freighter and they told each other they love each other and that she will find him, no matter what.

7. Dunno about the dead peeps.

I am SO LOST

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 21st May '08 8:54 PM

Thanks for the reminder about Desmond and Penny. I had completely forgotten about the Desmond time travel (geez, how could I do that?)

Tonight (Wednesday) they are showing reruns, but I think the 2-hour finale will be next week (May 29). Already have the recorder set

I hope Desmond doesn't get killed off. I really like his character.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Wed, 21st May '08 11:33 PM

So frustrating that they are taking a break this week.. grrr

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Thu, 22nd May '08 9:45 AM

I hear ya! That's the one thing that has really hurt "LOST." - the short seasons and the long stretch of time between seasons. I don't think their ratings are what they once were, but the quality of the show is great - and that's such a shame.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Thu, 29th May '08 10:12 PM

O=M=G!!!! I'm watching it now!!!

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Fri, 30th May '08 7:09 AM

WOW! I'm not sure where to start on the season finale! I'm going to watch it again this weekend, cause so much stuff happened.

I'm glad Penny and Desmond got together. I was hoping he wouldn't get killed off.

So what's with the different name for John Locke? Are the dead people really dead? Do you think Jin may have jumped off the boat before the boat blew up?

BTW, it was a stretch for Sawyer to jump out of the helicopter, survive that, then swim all the way back to the island, Juliet doesn't seem surprised to see him and he doesn't seem too much out of breath.

What do you think Sun is planning to do about Charles Widmore? Why do all 6 have to go back to the island? Where did the island end up after it moved?



lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Sun, 1st Jun '08 2:30 PM

Pep.. you are inside my head lol

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Thu, 5th Jun '08 7:59 AM

Hey, it's crowded in there, Lisa! Too many thoughts running around!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 28th Jun '08 9:15 PM

Just joined today, since 2.0 opened today.

I have many many questions. And apparently a lot of my speculations have been proven inaccurate with the finale. I've copied the entire season and watched over and over and I'm still no clearer.

I never in a million years guessed Locke would be in that coffin - under his own or anybody's name. Why did Kate not even consider going to his funeral?

How did Jack and Kate start out so close sometime after the trial and end up on a rainy night with Jack wildly insisting they have to go back and Kate hurrying off to "him"?

I figured the reason Sawyer could swim to the island was because they moved the island - but I guess that wouldn't be very far! ha So moving it as you guys said to "when" rather than to "where" makes much more sense.

I already dread the end of the show after the next 2 years. I've so enjoyed it and looking forward to it. I fought watching for 2 years, then rented both seasons. But it didn't matter - I was hopelessly hooked within 5 minutes on the pilot show. ( I didn't watch Alias either till the summer before the final year - just my luck!)

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.3 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 10th Jul '08 12:56 AM

The other name Locke was using, Jeremy Bentham, is another philosopher's name. My BF caught the name and so she knew at that point who would be in the coffin, but she knows crazy stuff like that.

My brother DVR'd the final episode and when Kate got the phone call, he was able to play that back and he realized it was backwards, so he played it backwards and it's a voice saying, "The island needs you. You have to go back before it’s too late.”

I LOVED when Sun put her father in his place! That was so awesome. I'm wondering who the other person is that she blames for Jin's death - Jack? John?

I hadn't even thought about moving the island and how that would account for the weird things. I remember looking at the website for the Dharma Initiative way back and one of the things the group was working on was something similar to worm hole technology and I was wondering if that's what was going on, and I guess they found something similar, huh?

I love this show! Back in September?

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Fri, 11th Jul '08 7:32 PM

I don't know when it's coming back, but I hope they don't wait until February again!!

Jank, I thought Sawyer initially was in the coffin and was very surprised to see Locke. I didn't think he COULD die. But now that Ben says they have to bring Locke back with them (The Oceanic Six plus Locke), I'm sure he'll resurrect.

If you look at the DVDs of each season, they usually add extra stuff that's worth watching. I'm not sure when Season 4 will come out. In the past, I think it's been August.

If you guys look at other message boards or have another light bulb moment, please post!!!

aslanscubs
Aslanscubs  (Level: 41.2 - Posts: 2)
Mon, 11th Aug '08 10:05 AM

The show will be back on in January 2009. The last thing I heard, the 4th Season will be out on DVD in December.

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Sat, 23rd Aug '08 12:16 PM

I believe I read on Amazon.com that Season 4 will be out 12/9/08. Can't wait! Best show ever, IMHO. By the way, Pepperdoc, you're from Texas? Me too. San Antonio, actually. Sploofus is such a fun site and with Lost on it like this, makes it even better.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Tue, 26th Aug '08 11:24 PM

Fudy.. I think Sun was talking about Widmore

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.3 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 27th Aug '08 1:44 AM

Lisa, good point about Sun's "hit list." Obviously Ben feels the same about him. Widmore is a character who started out so "in the background", didn't seem all that important, just Penny's dad. Then it turns out he's so much more. That's another aspect of the show I love - seemingly innocuous, unimportant people and events turn out to have much more significance than we may have realized. It makes watching re-runs fun because you can almost always catch something you didn't notice first time around.

Can't wait for next season!

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Wed, 27th Aug '08 6:53 PM

Hi Fudypatootie - Just wanted to say thank you for the nice comment on my quiz and for recommending it to the Lost group. I appreciate it. I had fun coming up with it, so it's nice to know someone enjoyed it as well. Great score, too!

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Wed, 27th Aug '08 8:01 PM

Just wanted to let you all know that the SciFi Network will begin showing episodes of Lost on Sept. 15. If you look at their schedule, it appears that there will be four episodes per night starting with The Pilot. I've got the DVD for all the seasons because I'm totally addicted, but I know some people may not. So if you need a Lost fix before next year, we have an outlet. I apologize if this has been posted before; I haven't read all the posts yet.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.3 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 27th Aug '08 11:58 PM

Thanks, Missy.

My daughter was away all summer and missed the finale so we just watched it tonight. As for who Sun blames, I think it's Jack. Remember she met up with Widmoor and asked him to call her when he was ready to talk because they have a common interest. And Jack said in the funeral home to Ben that Sun blames him for..... It was fun watching it again. I'm looking forward to watching them on SciFi.

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Thu, 28th Aug '08 8:13 AM

Actually, Jack may be the other one that Sun blames; however, I think it's Widmore. I think she's going to act like she wants to be a friend or an associate and then get revenge. Who knows, though? I didn't get all the answers correct last season, especially Locke being in the coffin, so hopefully, we'll find out soon.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Sun, 14th Sep '08 8:50 PM

I agree Misssassy :D

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sat, 20th Sep '08 3:21 PM

Does anyone know where I can geta DVD of the 4th Season
(which you are all talking about)
I missed most of it due to my mother's illness, selling and
buying houses, driving 3000 miles to relocate, and then
my own illness.
They say the new season is about to start....
Can't catch up because the DVD won't be available until
December....
What's that about????

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 26th Sep '08 11:33 PM

ABC.com - actually http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=index says they have all 4 seasons to watch online.

(It's not so bad watching episodes online - I watched all the "Invasion" shows online - and then they cancelled it. I felt like a jinx - my kids LOVED that show and wanted me to watch and enjoy with them.)

To buy the season 4 set, this is from amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0018CWEYY/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=2355128759&ref=pd_sl_10u3bjml8j_b

List Price: was $59.99
Price: $36.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping.
This title will be released on December 9, 2008.
Pre-order now!

OR

from ABC.com:

http://abctvstore.seenon.com/detail.php?p=62868&pa=abc.com_showpromo_lost
Price $42.99 Ships on Dec 9
Get a FREE Dharma Journal with any Lost purchase of $40 or more!

New season begins...well, they don't know either, apparently. ABC.com only says "returns early 2009." The bums.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Sat, 27th Sep '08 1:13 AM

I can't watch the episodes on the network websites.. I'm in Canada and they won't broadcast outside the U.S. .. having said that.. if someone really needs to find them online, I'm sure their on youtube

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 5th Oct '08 6:47 AM

February 4 is the newest rumor for the new season start.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 11:08 PM

Misssassy: Sorry, I've been gone from the group for awhile. Yes, I'm from Texas - the Dallas area. Glad you're part of the "LOST" conversation.

I'm looking forward the DVD. They always add a tidbit here and there on the "features" and gives a little more insight. Does anyone subscribe to a podcast? I used to listen to "Jay and Jack." They are very funny.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 10th Nov '08 6:04 PM

"...ABC has confirmed the premiere date for the fifth season of Lost, and it's Jan. 21.

Yep, that's a Wednesday, and it's where Lost — which last season aired Thursdays at 10 pm/ET, following Grey's Anatomy — will stay.

More specifically, Lost's regular time slot will be Wednesdays at 9 pm, though the new cycle will kick off with a three-hour event — a clip show followed by the first two episodes.

Last season, Lost saw its best-laid plans to air all of its episodes uninterrupted, à la 24, waylaid by the WGA strike. At this time, sources are unable to confirm if the 17-episode Season 5 will in fact pull off the straight-through feat."

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Lost-Season-Premiere-58305.aspx





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