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tallactor
Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Sat, 12th Apr '08 8:17 PM

TENSE SHIFTS IN WORDPUZZLES

Is it too much to ask for the puzzles in a set of WordPuzzles to all be written in the same tense? It's an unnecessary and frustrating complication, and it doesn't serve any purpose but to annoy the solver. (See today's "High Flying Cinema" for an example of random changes in tense from puzzle to puzzle--very bothersome!)

phitzy1
Phitzy1  (Level: 66.4 - Posts: 873)
Sat, 12th Apr '08 8:18 PM

I gotta step in where Chick might...

Camembert?

Brie?



eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sat, 12th Apr '08 8:33 PM

The tense changes have always messed me up too.

bushyfox
Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Sat, 12th Apr '08 8:39 PM

Hmmmmmm.....I can see where it's irritating to you, but can also figure that tense COULD change when one clue is present, and another is past.

For example, if the WP was about car racing:~

Joe blow WAS a great race driver. (he's dead)
Bert Bloggs IS a great race driver (he's alive)

..All relevant to the puzzle, but the change of tense seems necessary in those instances........to me, anyway!!

~Bev




tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4192)
Sat, 12th Apr '08 9:15 PM

I think what Bev has to say on this is good.

Anyway, on the one hand, I too can understand the irritation. I'm sure I've lost moves in WPs due to using the wrong verb tense. On the other hand, in the case of my phrases for "High Flying Cinema," I thought the tenses were appropriate in all cases. Once the WP is over, I can give examples.

-- Geri

tallactor
Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 1:47 AM

I only really had one that was in a different tense from the other four, which is what made it problematic. And there seemed to me to be no real reason for the tense shift. But of course I can't say more until the puzzle is over.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 2:39 AM

The ones that bug me tend to go a little something like this:

John Cusack starred in Better Off Dead and was also in Sixteen Candles
John's sister, Joan Cusack, stars in School of Rock and is also in Sixteen Candles.

The same tense should be used for both sentences but we get WP's, from time to time, where the verb tense bounces back and forth and it shouldn't.

bushyfox
Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 2:43 AM

Yup Lodi, gotta agree with you on that'un!

~Bev

lamizell
Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 6:23 AM

An inconsistency regarding tense: An actor films a role, then moves on to a different project so it is referred to in the past tense. However, the character the actor played is forever captured in that movie so it should be in the present tense:

John Cusack starred in *Say Anything.* His character, Lloyd Dobler, still stirs teenaged girls' hearts 20 years later.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 6:47 AM

I've never seen a logical consistency to the tense. It does bounce around once in awhile with no logical reason. Since I'm not a fiver, it's just...one more thing.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 6:59 AM

"TENSE !!!" who's tense ???? It's just a game, that's what you all tell me. Be KUL !!

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6643)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 7:56 AM

just a game...like snooker.

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4192)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 9:18 AM

Lamizell wrote: "An inconsistency regarding tense: An actor films a role, then moves on to a different project so it is referred to in the past tense. However, the character the actor played is forever captured in that movie so it should be in the present tense:

John Cusack starred in *Say Anything.* His character, Lloyd Dobler, still stirs teenaged girls' hearts 20 years later."

These are exactly the points I intended to make. Anyway, here are a couple of examples from my phrases showing tense changes:

1983 - john glenn was running for president when the right stuff debuted
1939 - oliver hardy is reincarnated as a horse in the flying deuces

-- Geri




revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 9:56 AM

Tresgatos: In that instance, there is actually a grammatical reasoning.

In 1983, John Glenn was running for office.But he isn't now.

In 1939, Oliver Hardy's action is captured for all eternity. Today He is still reincarnated as a horse, even if the action took place 70 years ago.

Perhaps this will help: In 1963, Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald. Past fact.
In this dramtic film footage, we see Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald. Past history, but the action is still current.

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4192)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 11:05 AM

Revdodd,

Hi, nice to make your acquaintance! I see I was unclear with my post, so sorry about that.

In any case, to try to clarify, I thought the inconsistency in verb tenses in my phrases was justified. (See my first post in this thread, right below Bushyfox's.) I was agreeing with earlier posters, i.e. I understand why the particular verb tenses were used in my phrases.

So, I personally have no complaints regarding this particular WP. But I think your post is excellent and further illustrates the points Lamizell and others were trying to make.

-- Geri

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.5 - Posts: 7570)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 11:14 AM

I like jank0614's response. Even the "fiver's " need to stay on their toes.

Word puzzles can be so frustrating, just when you think you've nailed one in a few moves, incorrect guess- lose 3 moves.

Hey , that's the fun of Sploofus; it's only a game.!

Al



[featured player from York, PA- first capital of united states]




revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 12:00 PM

Tesgatos: Nawww, it was just me trying make sense of the world without coffee..

I see we're plowing the same field now.



tallactor
Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Sun, 13th Apr '08 2:31 PM

My quibble was with the one I had that went something like "'The Great Waldo Pepper' includes vintage airplanes doing stunts" (not exactly the wording, but close enough to make my point). In that case the puzzle was about the film, not about the action in the film, and therefore ought to have been in past tense, since all other puzzles about the films (as opposed to about the plot points of the films) used past tense. I wasted six or seven moves trying to figure out what could have been wrong about my answer before I tried a "d" and stumbed upon the problem.


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