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smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 7th May '08 11:47 AM

BEAT 2.0 GRIPES


First off, I have to cut Justin some slack because he obviously was undergoing a total rework here with Beta 2.0 and it must have taken an enormous effort.

Having immersed in it, one thing I find a little frustrating is that I know the tweaks, enhancements or gripes we have now are going to be months or years off from being addressed since obviously the bugs come first.

I won't list them but I'm sure we all have our own list. The way the WTHA stay up and then the new ones stay without a clue exposed drives me nuts, for instance.

Anyway, just a thought.

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.5 - Posts: 7565)
Wed, 7th May '08 12:01 PM

Since I do not have access to Beta 2.0. yet, I cannot address the issues and bugs that are being worked upon currently.
I've read many of the Chats and Shouts and it seems apparent that Sploofus will be a much more active and challenging website in the very near future.

In considering a point just mentioned by Smaug, I would think that part of the "timeliness" issue to the new games is the fact that Sploofuis is multi-national in scope.

In effect, a 24 hour time-clock, so that players from Australia, e.g will need the long time lapses in order to participate also. That may be why clues are not changed as frequently as some players would hope. I guess patience is a necessity in that regard.

Al



zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Wed, 7th May '08 12:34 PM

Al, I don't think your theory holds water since the puzzles do not remain up for any specific length of time. A puzzle may have it's first tile exposed at 3:00 a.m. and a correct guess could appear almost immediately in some cases--or wrong guesses could go on for hours. The great majority of us may never have even seen it--much less participated--no matter where in the world we happened to be. On the other hand, that same puzzle is appearing in the middle of the day in Australia, to use your example. There just seems to be a time lag built into the system which some folks find frustrating.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Wed, 7th May '08 1:11 PM

Hey Diane... I'm with Smaug on this one.. I don't think he means the time lag from time zone to time zone but.. that a solved puzzle stays up for many hours before a new puzzle is released.. and that new puzzle starts with no boxes revealed and stays that way for quite some time as well .... this will be very frustrating when 2.0 is released to all. They will be solved much faster with so many more people guessing but there will be a huge delay in between solved and new.. the window of opportunity to guess will be much smaller

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 7th May '08 1:35 PM

Yes, Lisa, that was my point.

I don't know why, it really bothers me. Like the difference in aggravation between a mini-bike and a lawnmower

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.9 - Posts: 3936)
Wed, 7th May '08 1:46 PM

From what I recall, the "solved" WTHAIs stay up a random amount of time before the next appearance of The Riddler's underpants. But in a way, I don't mind the wait. In fact, I'm a bit frustrated when at my last look a WTHAI had two tiles exposed, and by the time I look again, it's been solved and the next one is already posted. It would be a nice enhancement if you could go back and see at least the last complete WTHAI picture.

The other thing is that if everyone knew when the next one was going to come up (for example, 30 minutes after the last one was solved, or at the top of the first hour after solution), there would be a ridiculous feeding frenzy. Never mind now, when 100 of us have full WTHAI access ... wait till all the few thousand regularly active members have it.

Even with the waits, we are still getting far more WTHAIs per day than WPs. I'm just not so sure that the system needs to be tinkered with now, but the real test will be when everyone's on 2.0.

nelly
Nelly  (Level: 172.0 - Posts: 1167)
Wed, 7th May '08 2:37 PM

The gap between the old and the new puzzle allows/forces some of us to do chores!

larrybus
Larrybus  (Level: 307.5 - Posts: 383)
Wed, 7th May '08 2:52 PM

Or go to bed.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Wed, 7th May '08 7:21 PM

One of the problems I have with "Where the heck am I? is that the answer doesn't always say where. It turns out to be a "What the heck am I?" For example, the answer will be XXXXX temple, or XXXXX castle, but it never says where. And I have seen people enter a "where" in their answer and its wrong. Like XXXXX temple, India. The answer is deemed incorrect but as soon as India is taken out, that makes it correct.

Doesn't make sense if its supposed to be a "where" but you have to answer with a "what" instead.

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.7 - Posts: 1651)
Wed, 7th May '08 7:28 PM

I see the problem.

Smaug has the beat 2.0 not beta 2.0

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Wed, 7th May '08 9:54 PM

We all answer the "where" question with places:
"Where are you going?"
A: to the store, to the mall, to the park, to the library, to Grandma's house, to the Taj Majal, to the beach

A building or national park IS a "where" in that sense.

As for adding the name of the city, state or country to a building or other place name, we try to include every variation for the correct answers, except the name of the popular cities by themselves.

If it's the Taj Majal and you just say 'India', that's not enough.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofusmaximus (Editor)  
Wed, 7th May '08 9:56 PM

Eesus, we have discussed this in the Editor Forum and have decided that the name of a building is actually an acceptable response to a "Where" question since a building is a place. example: If you were on vacation and I asked you over the phone "where" you were at and you said, "the Louvre", that is grammatically correct. Some of us do not like including things that are not buildings such as statues and monuments, but then we decided that might be getting too picky because if a person knows the name of the statue then they probably know where they are as well. It is probably better to be too generous than too restrictive.

We have been refining our acceptable responses and most of them should include/accept the name of the building and the city, state/country. It gets tricky here because the longer the answer is the more likely there could be a minor difference in the wording. Plus many places have variations that once we start adding the cities, states, countries the list gets really long. I said a while back that an upcoming puzzle had 57 (I think??) acceptable responses. That happened to be the Carlsberg Brewery that was recently solved. Here was the list of acceptable responses:

carlsberg brewery
carlsberg breweries
carlsberg brewery and headquarter
carlsberg breweries and headquarter
the elephant tower
the elephant tower carlsberg brewery
the elephant tower carlsberg brewery and headquarter
the elephant tower carlsberg breweries
the elephant tower carlsberg breweries and headquarter
elephant tower
elephant tower carlsberg brewery
elephant tower carlsberg brewery and headquarter
elephant tower carlsberg breweries
elephant tower carlsberg breweries and headquarter
carlsberg brewery copenhagen
carlsberg breweries copenhagen
carlsberg brewery and headquarter copenhagen
carlsberg breweries and headquarter copenhagen
the elephant tower copenhagen
the elephant tower carlsberg brewery copenhagen
the elephant tower carlsberg brewery and headquarter copenhagen
the elephant tower carlsberg breweries copenhagen
the elephant tower carlsberg breweries and headquarter copenhagen
elephant tower copenhagen
elephant tower carlsberg brewery copenhagen
elephant tower carlsberg brewery and headquarter copenhagen
elephant tower carlsberg breweries copenhagen
elephant tower carlsberg breweries and headquarter copenhagen
carlsberg brewery copenhagen denmark
carlsberg breweries copenhagen denmark
carlsberg brewery and headquarter copenhagen denmark
carlsberg breweries and headquarter copenhagen denmark
the elephant tower copenhagen denmark
the elephant tower carlsberg brewery copenhagen denmark
the elephant tower carlsberg brewery and headquarter copenhagen denmark
the elephant tower carlsberg breweries copenhagen denmark
the elephant tower carlsberg breweries and headquarter copenhagen denmark
elephant tower copenhagen denmark
elephant tower carlsberg brewery copenhagen denmark
elephant tower carlsberg brewery and headquarter copenhagen denmark
elephant tower carlsberg breweries copenhagen denmark
elephant tower carlsberg breweries and headquarter copenhagen denmark
carlsberg brewery denmark
carlsberg breweries denmark
carlsberg brewery and headquarter denmark
carlsberg breweries and headquarter denmark
the elephant tower denmark
the elephant tower carlsberg breweryn denmark
the elephant tower carlsberg brewery and headquarter denmark
the elephant tower carlsberg breweries denmark
the elephant tower carlsberg breweries and headquarter denmark
elephant tower denmark
elephant tower carlsberg brewery denmark
elephant tower carlsberg brewery and headquarter denmark
elephant tower carlsberg breweries denmark
elephant tower carlsberg breweries and headquarter denmark

You can see how complicated the wording can get if we try to accept all possibilities. Not all of the places are like this, but it gives you an idea of what we are sometimes up against. Please be forgiving if we miss one.

Often the building MUST be included in the answer because many large cities have been common guesses. We really want to be sure the player knows where they are and aren't just guessing the big cities where many notable buildings might be. And if you really want to know the city you can always click on the wikipedia article and find out where the heck city you are in.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 7th May '08 10:31 PM

Good grief. That's quite a list.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Thu, 8th May '08 12:23 AM

On several of these, I noticed the winner first put in the "place" followed by the country name and it was deemed incorrect. She/he then put it in without the country name and it was accepted. I understand that a place shouldn't be just the country and I agree with that. But to consider it incorrect because the country of origin is included with the name of the "place" disturbs me.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 8th May '08 1:12 AM


SMAUG'S WP "Things That Disturb Easy"

zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Thu, 8th May '08 10:54 AM

Lisap369 -- I did understand Smaug's point, and I agree with him also.
My post was not addressed to Smaug--it was specifically addressed to Al (that is, Alvandy) and was referring to his theory about "why clues are not changed as frequently as some players would hope."


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