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pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Fri, 9th May '08 8:39 PM

QUEEN MONDEGREENS

Oooh that was hard - several wrong guesses - but very fun. I love Mondegreens.



bushyfox
Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Fri, 9th May '08 8:51 PM

It's so great that it's OK to have the words wrong! Now I can go sing silly stuff all day...thanks Martin!

~Bev

Sploofus Editor
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Fri, 9th May '08 8:53 PM

Bearpaw's posts were deleted because they could give away part of a puzzle. Please repost your comments after the puzzle closes.

Thank you!

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 9th May '08 9:05 PM

The funniest one of all time to me was on the TV show Wings, when tony Shaloub (Monk) was playing his guitar in the terminal to make some money and the only song he knew was "michael Row the Boat Ashore"

"My goat knows the bowling score, Hallelujah!"

"Sid's new hair is in the mail..."

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 9th May '08 9:14 PM

This one disappoints. Not too much knowledge required. Just guesswork.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 9th May '08 9:19 PM

How about "Hey there,,you with the scars on your thighs"
or
"Pardon me Roy, are you the cat that ate my new shoes?"
or Dave Barry's
"Ain't no woman like the one-eyed Gott"

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 9th May '08 9:27 PM

Well, I also bailed. As you say, too much guesswork.

revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Fri, 9th May '08 9:29 PM

Ouch! I thought I could mangle lyrics better than that....

My old favorite...
"The girl with colitis goes by" from ....?


lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.4 - Posts: 1684)
Fri, 9th May '08 9:44 PM

Beatles-Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Fri, 9th May '08 9:54 PM

My favourite one so far wtg Martin

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Fri, 9th May '08 10:18 PM

I applaud anyone's effort who writes these wps, but this one made no sense to me at all

winddancer41
Winddancer41  (Level: 63.3 - Posts: 1113)
Fri, 9th May '08 10:20 PM

I am sorry but this was totally out of my frame of thinking. But i still didn't bail. LOL

cjar855
Cjar855  (Level: 133.4 - Posts: 838)
Fri, 9th May '08 10:32 PM

Fun. Tricky But Fun

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.7 - Posts: 1651)
Fri, 9th May '08 10:32 PM

OUCH!

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 9th May '08 10:44 PM

And don't forget "Someone left a cake out in the rain".

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 9th May '08 10:47 PM

? that's the actual line from MacArthur Park, Ken.

osuzannacollage
Osuzannacollage  (Level: 132.1 - Posts: 1299)
Fri, 9th May '08 10:53 PM


Had a lot of fun with this one, Martin! Am still happily humming away...

Susan

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Fri, 9th May '08 11:02 PM

I don't even know who queen is let alone what they do it's no wonder it made no sense to me

bushyfox
Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Fri, 9th May '08 11:05 PM

Keith......check out this link:~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_%28band%29


~Bev

pocahontas1951
Pocahontas1951  (Level: 55.4 - Posts: 172)
Fri, 9th May '08 11:35 PM

Loved this one! Great job! Had a little family emergency in the middle of it and almost timed out. A typo was costly, but I had great fun. It brought back memories of Manfred Mann's Blinded by the light Wrapped up like a douche like a runner in the night. hehe That's the way I heard it.

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7573)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:07 AM

A toughie to navigate- but I guessed right enough to survive.

i scream; you scream; we all scream for ice cream.
hey- let's get some.

congrats Larefamilias!

chyenn
Chyenn  (Level: 202.6 - Posts: 1332)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:11 AM

i had fun with this one, Martin.. proves that you really do have a twisted dark side!!!





tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 205.1 - Posts: 4198)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:20 AM

Anyone for Mairzy doats and dozy doats? I guess that might be a reverse mondegreen? Or just a silly song. Anyway, thanks for a really fun puzzle!

-- Geri

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6644)
Sat, 10th May '08 1:12 AM

I loved this puzzle though I did poorly.
Keith you dont know who queen are? Wow.
Even those born after the days of Freddie Mercury will hear his music played at all sporting events; we are the champions etc. And if you've ever seen Wayne's World you will surely recognize Bohemian Rhapsody!



crazy4games
Crazy4games  (Level: 123.0 - Posts: 1020)
Sat, 10th May '08 1:40 AM

I liked it too. Tough, and I didn't do well, but fun just the same.
Thanks Lare!

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sat, 10th May '08 2:52 AM

What is the difference between a Mondegreen and a Malapropism????
If I had understood the quiz, I would have had a lot of fun!!!!

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Sat, 10th May '08 4:12 AM

Thanks one and all for the various comments. Glad some of you liked it and sorry some of you didn't - there's always another one to play tomorrow!
My idea was to try and make it a level playing field - shouldn't matter if you know the band or not, you're unlikely to know the answer straight off. (And thus weed out any astonishingly low scores...)

Rowlanda: basic difference between the two is that Mondegreens are misheard by the listener, whereas Malpropisms substitute an incorrect word into a sentence by accident - a slip of the ear versus a slip of the tongue if you like.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Sat, 10th May '08 5:00 AM

Great job, Martin Tough & tricky but still fun

kimoira
Kimoira  (Level: 202.1 - Posts: 1190)
Sat, 10th May '08 5:53 AM

Mondegreens just happens to be one of my favorite past times so I really enjoyed this puzzle. Nice job!

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 7:43 AM

Yup, sure weeded out those astonishingly low scores, all right.

Wild puzzle, Martin! I think I broke my all-time record for wrong guesses. You made it fun to feel dumb!

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 10th May '08 7:59 AM

That was a puzzler! Enjoyed trying to figure it out and didn't worry about the score.

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.5 - Posts: 5316)
Sat, 10th May '08 8:03 AM

Heh, heh! Funny puzzle. My score is definitely not funny. But I had fun doing it, so that's the main point. Good puzzle.

francesann
Francesann  (Level: 55.5 - Posts: 124)
Sat, 10th May '08 8:16 AM

I really enjoyed it, I struggle with word puzzles usually as often the relate to stuff on the other side of the pond, but this knew I stood a good chance of getting a decent score. Thankyou

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Sat, 10th May '08 8:57 AM

I liked the puzzle very much, but it made me realize how empty my life is without a Queen CD...had to run out a buy one! Thanks Martin!

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 9:07 AM

ok barry I admit I'm not well versed in the world of pop music, I didn"know Queen, Freddie Mercury and I've never watched Waynes World, nevertheless, it was a good puzzle and I enjoyed the challenge

naskar1957
Naskar1957  (Level: 126.4 - Posts: 16)
Sat, 10th May '08 9:23 AM

re queens mondegreens,
I found a site through google, www.kisstheguys.com and all the questions were there word for word.
I hope this is not considered cheating

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 9:28 AM

Gee, that must've been a lot of fun for you.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Sat, 10th May '08 9:33 AM

Sure sounds like cheating to me. What fun is that?

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 9:38 AM

isn't that called plagerism? and isn't that against the rules here?

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Sat, 10th May '08 9:50 AM

Most of the phrases I got were easily recognizable as actual mondegreens except for one..."another one bites the duck" - come on, has anyone ever really thought the lyric in that song was "duck"?? Then I couldn't get Weird Al's "another one rides the bus" out of my head!

But I am the queen of mondegreens around my house...always mis-hearing a lyric! My students recently used "Let the drummer kick" for a dance piece; now the song is on some commercial so I hear it all the time, but when I first heard it I thought the lyric was "Kill the drama kid" which seemed kind of rude and not very school appropriate! The dance teacher cracked up when I told her what it sounded like to me!

naskar1957
Naskar1957  (Level: 126.4 - Posts: 16)
Sat, 10th May '08 9:58 AM

I know I'm not the only one that uses google,I'm on that serrch engine everyday searching for information that I can use.
cheating is not a part of my ntelectual upbringing.

debbie1957
Debbie1957  (Level: 45.7 - Posts: 402)
Sat, 10th May '08 10:00 AM

Didn't catch on at first about the lyrics but still fun to do.


Debbie

naskar1957
Naskar1957  (Level: 126.4 - Posts: 16)
Sat, 10th May '08 10:11 AM

A lot of folks think that we CANADIANS live in Igloos all year round and ski in August but we don't. Some of us are very up to date on many subjects including local and foreign events



smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 10th May '08 10:33 AM

Yet, struggle with avatars. Strange.....

revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Sat, 10th May '08 10:46 AM

Using Google is an individual choice...like vinegar or ketchup-based barbecue.

If it's a topic I know little about, I'm apt to use it, because in the end I'm all for learning.

For mondegreens or movies or somesuch? Nawww. Takes the fun outof it.

But nothing in the rules against it, so let no one speak ill of the practice.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 10:54 AM

Nonsense. I speak ill of the practice.

It's one thing to google a spelling, or even a fact, but to copy the whole damn thing is ridiculous. It's not even trying to play fair.

You didn't beat anyone who actually played the game. It may not be cheating but it sure as hell ain't sporting.

Enjoy your victory.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 10th May '08 11:05 AM

somebody go to www.kisstheguys.com and tell me where you see this.

naskar1957
Naskar1957  (Level: 126.4 - Posts: 16)
Sat, 10th May '08 11:08 AM

I will I will,that's what I said when I got married 51 years ago and enjoyed 47+ years until she became ill and died.
Guess my four adult Kids, Six Grandkids, (soon to be seven) and one Great Grandkid makes me enjoy everything I do in life.
After all Life is just for living, is'nt it.

naskar1957
Naskar1957  (Level: 126.4 - Posts: 16)
Sat, 10th May '08 11:15 AM

sorry for the misinformation it was kissthisguy.com and look under songs

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 11:36 AM

Do they all have Sploofus accounts?

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 10th May '08 11:40 AM


Hey, he's right, the whole list is right there:

http://www.kissthisguy.com/261songsof-Queen.htm

Hey, I'd have used it. Authors should probably try to avoid one sourcing like that.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 11:53 AM

Pretty much draws the line between those who enjoy the puzzles and those who want the points.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 10th May '08 11:56 AM

After all the Who/what the heck comments from Beta users, I wouldn't even try the QM quiz cause I just couldn't on my own remember which country Queen Mondegreens led. If I had only Googled.....


keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:08 PM

I agree with Donna, if you're not smart enough to do these without googling you shouldn't even be on here

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:15 PM

I don't know the relevance of this comparison, but they allow students to use a calculator when taking the SAT. They began this practice the year AFTER i took it.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:18 PM

Oh dear, now I'm too stupid for the Island.

I enjoy the research hunt with google. If you don't like it I don't care.

And I couldn't care less about points, Smoke.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:20 PM

I wouldn't go that far, but I do wish there was a way to separate the scores for those who actually try to DO the puzzles and those who want to C&P answers and rack up that big tempting 6000 points.



smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:22 PM

And Smaug, the very last thing I'd every suspect you of is stupidity.

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:25 PM

googling is a great tool for finding information, but I believe doing these puzzles should be a test of your intelligence and your logic and reasoning skills not your ability to copy imformation you've read

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:33 PM

It seems that two different games are being played. One group is playing GoogleHunt and the other is solving WordPuzzles. It's just a shame all are scored alike; it's like letting dune buggies and indycars on the same track. I enjoy GoogleHunt too, but I call it WTHAI. Of course everyone can't play those yet, but I do see the attraction of the game.

I've gotten down off my google high horse long ago, and often use it myself to find a name or a spelling, but I would never simply c&p puzzles. I'd be ashamed to treat my friends that way.

bigdavy
Bigdavy  (Level: 131.3 - Posts: 529)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:36 PM

You say to-mah-to, I say to-may-to....

Obviously some people enjoy the challenge without Googling, while others enjoy solving the puzzle with Googling. I've solved WPs both ways. I know many players would like for everyone else to use the same approach they do, but this isn't going to happen and it doesn't need to happen.

If some members choose to Google, it doesn't mean they are stupid.

This issue has been debated to death in the past, and here we go again. Can't we just "agree to disagree"????

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:37 PM

well, as long as you aren't directly copy/pasting, it's all really copying information we've read, or heard or were taught, it just depends on if you read that info before you took the puzzle and can recall it, or if you are learning that info while taking the puzzle. The internet is going to be an obvious source at hand for anyone doing these puzzles. I don't look for exact phrases, but if I can learn something that helps, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But, I agree with Donna, I think there should be a way to, at the very least, acknowledge those who don't. Even if there was a button to click on the 'honor system" saying "I'm google free", that gave some indication of it on the board.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:38 PM

I agree to disagree.

But first I GET to disagree.

I still see a difference between googling up some help when you're stuck and C&Ping the whole puzzle.

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.4 - Posts: 2671)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:43 PM

My 2 cents about Googling: If the googled info is so close to what is in the WP that it can be copied word for word, then the person writing the WP is the one who should be criticized, for plagerism.

bigdavy
Bigdavy  (Level: 131.3 - Posts: 529)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:52 PM

I agree with Smoke that there's a difference. The googlers are playing a different game and not getting the same challenge that non-googlers are.

Unfortunately for the non-googlers, the googlers wind up at the top of the leaderboard and scoop up most or all of the bonus points. Perhaps reducing the amount of bonus points for the top finishers would ease non-googlers' pain. But there would still be some noses out of joint, based on the leaderboard positions, even if NO bonus points were involved.

Personally I can accept that googlers will rank higher (and get more points) than myself when I don't google. That's my opinion, agree or disagree if you want. My real problem is with the name-calling (i.e. "Googling is cheating" or "Googlers are stupid").... It's a small island, can't we all just get along?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:56 PM

I readily admit I'm not smart enough to be here.

And even with Googling, I'm no challenge whatsoever to those of you who are smart enough to be here.

But everybody's gotta be somewhere.

And since my personal points don't take away from those of you who are smart enough to be here, may I please just go ahead and play and google and take it as a learning experience?

And I understand people who don't already have that knowledge must be a source of irritation to the ones smart enough to be here and answer these amazing questions and work puzzles and quizzes and get crazy hot points from just the knowledge you've gained over the years. I'm sorry! But I'm way down here below you in points and standings. You don't even have to look down and wave if you don't wanna.

But I still like to watch the Cowboys try to whup everybody, though they've never once told me I'm too stupid to sit in the stands. They'll take my ticket $$ just like the fans who themselves played in college and understand the whole thing.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:57 PM

My two cents about Queen Mondegreens: It's just like any other quotes, there are hundreds of them out there, but there's a finite pool. The mondegreens we had in earlier puzzles came from somewhere, they were known to some of us; I never expected anyone to write original mondegreens.

If the definition of mondegreen was googled and researched, along with the real lyrics of the songs, then it would be skirting the fairness/cheating issue by at least having to figure out the substituted misheard words. I googled the lyric to a song I didn't know, but I figured out the "wrong" words myself. Call me old fashioned, that's what "puzzle" means to me.

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:59 PM

I've never said googler are stupid, it does take a certain amount of intelligence to know where to go to look for things, I don't care about the points, they are a small and insignificant part of what I do here, but it irritates and saddens me that we don't all play on a level playing field.

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Sat, 10th May '08 12:59 PM

That's how I did it, too.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 10th May '08 1:11 PM

Smoke -- why is googling allowed on WTHAI in your mind? I've won two and I've never googled...in fact, I don't think I would know how to go about googling a mystery pic. Nevertheless, viva la google if you are smart enough to try (and, I might add, that one isn't time so who would know?)

And, as I've said before, the simple ability to sort the standings by time will give a rough new standard to WP results, as the people who like to research, like me, take longer.

AND in closing, who the hell cares about 6 thousand points when people are winning 6 billion point wagers?


foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Sat, 10th May '08 1:14 PM

All right, so I'll jump into this discussion, since it's covering the same ground as
what I was trying to get at in the Bearpaw thread. In response to my question What
is Justin selling by providing Sploofus, Big Davy wrote: "Justin is 'selling' a level
playing field to a community that enjoys intellectual challenges.... This site, the
games, and the players do have a lot of integrity and that's why I like it here."

Elsewhere in the thread, Stoughtyounglad noted: "maybe you lose some of the
element of a challenge and therefore pleasure when people are cheating? If it's not
points or bragging rights, don't know what it could be..."

But my goal for trying to figure out this whole deal is not to discuss cheating. My
sense is that most Sploofus-ites don't cheat (however you want to define it). There
is a sort of social contract. We don't do certain things in order to maintain a sense
of order and sustain a feeling of collegiality.

But what if the contract is broken? What happens if the integrity of the system
breaks down?

Justin's goal with this site, I think, is to offer a place where members can compete in
brain games with some confidence the competition has integrity. If confidence in
that integrity dissipates, so too do the players.



smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 1:35 PM

I don't know, Smaug. I've known some of mine on sight and spent a lot of time looking for others. I understood that to be the nature of those games. Figuring out bits of the pictures and adjusting what you're looking for IS that game. The clues even say "Look in China" or "The field is science".

I don't see any comparison in the WTHAI games and word puzzles. Maybe it's my blind spot but I don't think they're at all the same.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 10th May '08 2:04 PM

Smoke, well, I think you are making a distinction without a difference. Pretty much every Sploofus game can be googled. At least in the timed games it is limited (like the 30 second clock) or obvious to all (like taking more than 1,000 seconds regularly on WPs).

On WTHs there is no way of knowing vis-a-vis posted times, so one could argue that is worse. Plus, as I say, I haven't the foggiest how one googles up one of these pics, so anyone that has that wizardry has a decided edge.
================
Foogs, you've talked yourself around to the obvious.



smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 2:10 PM

I say again. And again and again. Time is no indicator of anything in a WP. You yourself had one the other day over 5000 seconds. Many things can happen to delay the finish of a WP, but you still finish in the same place. WTH is a race, and if you wander off to go potty someone will beat you.

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.4 - Posts: 2671)
Sat, 10th May '08 2:25 PM

It appears that most of the top 10 or 15 scorer's times in nearly every WP are well over 900 seconds, which translates to 15 minutes at a minimum. Today I made 40 moves and did them in 787 seconds. There has to be something else going on to expend the extra time (ie 28 moves in over 1000 seconds), whether it be googling, checking spelling, or answering a phone. Does one really stare at a word for 4 or 5 minutes and finally have it come popping out of the brain...daily?

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 2:29 PM

Yes.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 10th May '08 2:57 PM

I just realized how impatient I am when I do the WP. I read this thread and told myself to slow down. So I took my time, tried waiting for the answer to come to me. Finished the puzzle and did pretty well for me (16th place at the moment). I looked at my time which was 400+ seconds and noticed that I'm still going through the WP must faster than the top finishers...

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 10th May '08 3:01 PM

...oh, and note to self: go buy porta-potty...

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 10th May '08 3:11 PM

Smoke, that is why I said "regularly". Sure there are occasional phone calls et al.

I like to research etc and I have never had any problem saying it. My favorite part is getting zero move plays, but you wind up with a lot of incorrect guesses too, going that route.

As far as the WTHs being a race, hell, some of them are up for more than 24 hours, right? That's no race.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 3:14 PM

It is once the clue is posted! I've been beaten out while I was typing the answer. Twice. By a nose at the wire.

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Sat, 10th May '08 3:18 PM

Can't seem to find an emoticon for 'eyes bugging out whilst jaw hits the ground', so I'm afraid you'll just have to imagine it...

Firstly - and not that it really matters because you only have my word for it - the site referenced above was not the source of the material in the WP. But I freely admit to wishing I'd found it first: it would have been very useful, not to mention time-saving. My route was far more circuitous and had to do with the original title of the puzzle - Misheard Queen lyrics or something similarly clunky. The (apparently Googleable) ''Queen Mondegreens' title only came about in a discussion with the Editor responsible for vetting the quiz, after it had been written.
I actually used half a dozen or so sites.

Secondly: plagiarism. I suppose mondegreens do skirt plagiarism - and probably in the spirit of the Sploofus law may qualify - but, as has been mentioned, they are 'misheard' and someone is required to do that mishearing (if a mondegreen falls in a forest, does it bake a pound? Not, IMO, unless someone is there to hear it and then tells you). My thinking was (and is) that if I made them up on the spot, then they wouldn't be mondegreens but something else.

WP's make no provision for citing sources as quizzes do, or to insert quote marks to indicate a direct quotation. Perhaps that's something that could/should be rectified.

As far as Googling answers is concerned, I have no opinion. If questions are in the public domain, then any quiz runs the risk of being Googled. Some folks will and just as many won't. The morality of that I'll leave to more august people than I.

I'm sorry that the WP has caused a little fractiousness & friction. That, of course, was not the intent.

Martin

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 3:27 PM

don't be sorry, I think the debate is no longer about the wp, but more about the behavior and moral ethics of the participants

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 3:31 PM

I'm not debating anything, I'm expressing my opinion and everyone else is welcome to have their own.

Excet that time tells anything about how a puzzle is done. I'll debate that.

I bet if I googled more I could finish a lot faster. Save myself the agg of sitting there with alphabet combos running through my brain like a literate slot machine.

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 4:15 PM

isn't a debate we we all express our opinions and everyone decides for themselves the right and wrong of it?

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 4:24 PM

Yes of course it is how silly of me.

I only meant I wasn't looking for a fight.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 10th May '08 4:25 PM

""Firstly - and not that it really matters because you only have my word for it - the site referenced above was not the source of the material in the WP."""



Lare, I noticed that about the kissingguys site. The exact correct lyrics for two of my puzzles were NOT what was on that site word for word. So it seems interesting that could be the sole source of a zero move result, as previously stated. For one example, the spelling "scaramouche" used in the puzzle, was "scallaboosh" on the I kissed guys site.

Anyway, if Naskar firgured that one out with zero guesses, god bless, and email me lottery numbers...

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 4:32 PM

I'm not looking for a fight either, but I do enjoy a lively discussion from time to time

chyenn
Chyenn  (Level: 202.6 - Posts: 1332)
Sat, 10th May '08 5:03 PM

Keith said: "I agree with Donna, if you're not smart enough to do these without googling you shouldn't even be on here" ..

If you weren't looking for a fight; why in the world did you say that?

I'm sad because you think I shouldn't be here. Will I fight about it? No.

I have been enjoying this site for 3 years. The games, puzzles and quizzes keep my mind active. I have also made some wonderful friends during that time. They help keep me going when I think my days are unbearable. Sploofus is truly my lifeline to the world outside my bedroom and unless or until Justin decides I shouldn't be here; I will remain. And I will search for answers when it suits me.

~~chyenn~~

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 5:10 PM

cheyenn, I'm not looking to fight with you or anyone else, and I can't nor would I try to stop you from doing what you want to do in here, and I'm sorry if I've stepped on your or anyone elses toes, but i do have my opinions and my own standards and I don't expect anyone other than myself to adhere to them

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 10th May '08 5:11 PM

Just want to reiterate that Keith is not agreeing with Donna on that one. That statement is all Keith beginning immediately after my name.

keithr81052
Keithr81052  (Level: 144.6 - Posts: 147)
Sat, 10th May '08 5:16 PM

let me set the record straight, when I said I agree with Donna I meant that I agreed with her that we should all play fair, nothing more than that, I'm sorry I probably wasn't clear about that

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Sat, 10th May '08 5:23 PM

Funny, I never think of the extra long times as belonging to cheats - since I don't consider googling to be cheating and there are thousand of reasons why a person takes a long time to do an online puzzle. It's the super short times with extra low numbers of moves that I find suspicious; like the person can count the spaces, know the answers, and just has to type them in.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sat, 10th May '08 8:17 PM


I think it would be interesting to simply go through the puzzle entering the first set of reasonably logical and correctly spelled words you could think off, without looking at a clue or theme, and see how long it would take you.

I don't mean to be a pill, but I find the zero guess move, uh, unbelievable.

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 205.1 - Posts: 4198)
Sun, 11th May '08 5:00 AM

Regarding time with WPs: Some may have noticed that it generally takes me a long time to solve WPs. I'd say I'm one of the slowest. This is due to a variety of factors, including:

1. I don't care about speed.
2. I spend time writing down all my clues and phrases.
3. I'm really stubborn about trying to solve the puzzles in the fewest moves possible, so I do tend to spend a lot of time staring at my screen.
3. I often get interrupted - usually by cat demands.
4. I google on some puzzles.
5. I have an overactive imagination, and sometimes it leads me to phrases that aren't germane to the theme.
6. I sometimes travel to Saturn while working on a WP because I get hungry, and the folks there make the best ice cream. It's really out of this world.

Regarding strategy for WPs: It doesn't matter to me how people solve the WPs. If they want to use reference books, logic and their own knowledge, intuition, google to their heart's content or consult the magic 8-ball -- it's all the same to me.

On a more serious note, editors have said googling is not cheating and is a matter of personal choice. Thus, people who choose to google aren't unethical or engaging in any kind of unsportsmanlike conduct. And they're not stupid, either. Everyone's brain works differently, and there are different kinds of intelligence. I think it's unfair to judge a person's intelligence or depth or breadth of knowledge based on how they perform at anything here at Sploofus.

People may remember the Trendy Food Combinations WP from early April. Since some complained about the WP, Sploofizz pointed out that all of the phrases were googlable at one website featuring an article on food. I see no difference between that and Naskar1957 managing to find all of the Queen mondegreens at that one website.

The system with WPs is flawed, but IMO, that's no reason to take it out on fellow Sploofusers. I think we're all here to challenge ourselves, have fun and hopefully make some friends, each in our own way.

As some people have pointed out in other threads, being able to find information quickly and efficiently online is important, and it's a skill I know I need to improve. The WPs designed to be googlable have motivated me to do this in a way nothing else has, so I'm grateful to Sploofus for this.

I'm with my friend Bigdavy, who wrote: "Personally I can accept that googlers will rank higher (and get more points) than myself when I don't google." He also wrote: "It's a small island, can't we all just get along?" My sentiments, too.

-- Geri






snakes
Snakes  (Level: 219.8 - Posts: 101)
Sun, 11th May '08 5:22 AM

Kumbaya

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Sun, 11th May '08 6:09 AM

The current WP is not googleable & I still took longer than most to finish, I'm old & slow, so sue me However, I am sitting # 2 at the present time which proves that, people who sometimes google are not entirely stupid, my 16 yr old would argue that I recently goggled my way to a #1 with a 5 & was quite startled that no one else did. I can guarantee I didn't get the answers from a fellow sploofuser. For whatever reason, the clues on that puzzle led me to various sites that gave me the answers (it took awhile). Sometimes the light goes on & sometimes you have to search far & wide for a new bulb. Peace (/l), love & plastic flowers

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Sun, 11th May '08 6:10 AM

Bummer my peace sign didn't work(/l)

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Sun, 11th May '08 6:10 AM

Still won't

nelly
Nelly  (Level: 172.0 - Posts: 1167)
Sun, 11th May '08 6:38 AM

Well said Geri! Randy, I've just completed Koota's 'Sploofus Island' WP and I took nearly half as long again as you! That was my being stubborn and determined, as so often with WPs, and trying to come up with the right words without putting more letters in. This WP particularly was a case of 'but I must know the answer'!

revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Sun, 11th May '08 9:12 AM

Huzzah, Geri! Well said, and a proper conclusion.

Now, on to the next puzzle. I'm sure there's a Fiver in the future....somewhere.

lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.4 - Posts: 1684)
Sun, 11th May '08 10:09 PM

Hurrah for the Jersey girl and the sweet Canadian cat. Geri I can relate to the first 5 reasons you list and wish # 6 was on my list but I seem to find my #6 to be I doze off or that I get caught up in something on TV and then realize I'm working the puzzle. Thanks to you both for your posts. And Randy, I really love peace too, but I don't know about those plastic flowers. Maybe I'll look at them again .....Nah!

Cindy (Lucimoore)

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 11th May '08 10:13 PM

Sorry I was out of town and missed the puzzle. I almost took my laptop but decided I could live without sploofus for a weekend.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6644)
Sun, 11th May '08 10:33 PM

Eesusbejesus'comment about being able to survive for a weekend without sploofus is enough to get he rkicked off the sialnd. Some of us cant last 12 hours; 48 hours? Not gonna happen.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 11th May '08 11:25 PM


Actually, I'm told SadoMaster Steve rarely allows laptops or cellphones at Steve's House of Weekend Horror.

That's Steve's House of Weekend Horror -- Since 1997, Your One Stop Shop For 48 Hours of Mis-use and Abuse, located on Highway 47 just south of Fargo.

Visa and Mastercard Double and Dungeon rooms available, what? no f'ing color TV, wench.



rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Mon, 12th May '08 5:25 AM

1. I thought Mondegreens were vegetables....
2. All the way through, I wondered when the
Royal connection would emerge - not
realizing the "Queen" was NOT Elizabeth
3. I'm old, slow and forgetful too - and have
even been known to take my dog for a walk
in the middle of a W/P
4. I routinely "watch" TV while playing on the
computer, and sometimes segments of a show are
interesting enough to WATCH....
5. Smaug....please don't penalize me or expect me
to change the way I do things
6. Smoke....I love to read your opinions, they usually
agree with mine. You are a "Queen" of the Salty Dog
so please keep on keeping on


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