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rhayader
Rhayader  (Level: 94.0 - Posts: 59)
Tue, 13th May '08 7:46 AM

SHENANIGANS!!!

One of my favorite features of Sploofus are the WordRounds. I average about 1 min. per puzzle but occassionaly have a good round of 45 sec. or so. But I have to call SHENANIGANS on some players. It's obvious that there is some collusion going on when there are times of under 10 seconds for a Word Match! The "player" who was guilty of this last week seems to have been deleted. Does this happen often? Are the stats adjusted so that these bogus scores don't get undue credit for the top spot(s) in those rounds?

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy the puzzles! It just more fun when everyone plays fair.

John

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Tue, 13th May '08 9:02 AM

Oh, you stepped in it now!

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Tue, 13th May '08 9:35 AM

LOL! There are no shenanigans, just a recent rash of timer glitches that cause something well-known to the regulars as "flukes".

I've said this about a hundred times, but just once more: it is not possible to cheat on word rounds and word puzzles in any way.

Truly, honestly, there just is not.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Tue, 13th May '08 10:07 AM

Correction: It is not possible to cheat on word rounds and word matches in any way.

ricksdusa
Ricksdusa  (Level: 22.6 - Posts: 69)
Tue, 13th May '08 10:51 AM

I love the word Shenanigen......and Mularky.....FANTASTIC
(that's all)

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7573)
Tue, 13th May '08 11:55 AM

Beware of Smuag- especially when he gets bored!


alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7573)
Tue, 13th May '08 11:58 AM

Sorry- about that last post.

The sweet odor of a York peppermint pattie caused me to be incoherent.

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.7 - Posts: 754)
Tue, 13th May '08 4:05 PM

Smaug -- a delightful fellow!

rhayader
Rhayader  (Level: 94.0 - Posts: 59)
Wed, 14th May '08 7:21 AM

Smoke 20 - Unless the order of the words is random and different for each user, it would be very easy for two players to cheat on Word Match. I have to suspect that's what was happening last week when one player had several consecutive rounds of 5 seconds or fewer.

ricksdusa - I love Shenanigens, too. I usually get the sampler platter. I stay away from the mularky, tho.

embee
Embee  (Level: 86.7 - Posts: 362)
Wed, 14th May '08 7:28 AM

The words are random and different for each user.

ricksdusa
Ricksdusa  (Level: 22.6 - Posts: 69)
Wed, 14th May '08 11:22 AM

Yip. mularkey will give you the squits if there isn't an R in the month - it's true

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 14th May '08 4:49 PM

I have been on here for months, I have been doing the word rounds for months. I see the same group of players getting the flukes. I have seen players say "I cant get the fluke thing to work at home" I just saw a player get a fluke on both the puzzles this hour. I saw a player get a fluke yesterday and today.
Tell me again its a "fluke". Sure, right, yeah,

kimoira
Kimoira  (Level: 202.1 - Posts: 1190)
Wed, 14th May '08 4:59 PM

I know it is hard to believe but no one can control those.

I'm not a computer geek but I suspect it is all about the kind of processor and connection you have. Please don't ask me for details.

It looks to me like the site hiccups because of the ultra-fast speed and then "quakes" thereby causing flukes.

Better?

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 14th May '08 5:00 PM

It's a fluke.

Sometimes, nobody knows why, there is a delay between the time the player clicks to start the round, and the starting of the timer. It seems to happen more frequently for players in some systems than others. Whether the difference is in the connection or the computer I couldn't begin to guess.

All I can tell you is that if you play enough you'll see there's no way to cheat. And you'll get to know those people you keep seeing up there at the top (sometimes I'm one of 'em) and find out exactly how ignorant (as in unaware of the facts in this case) and rude (and in you should know better to suggest unkind things about people you don't know) it was to accuse them of wrongdoing.

Go. Play. See for yourself.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 14th May '08 5:04 PM

The point is I have played, almost daily. I am only stating what I see. I am at level 15 for the TQOD. I have been here.
Ah well, I give, clearly I am completly wrong. It must be my vivid imagination running amok again.

kimoira
Kimoira  (Level: 202.1 - Posts: 1190)
Wed, 14th May '08 5:19 PM

Maybe sometime Justin can enlighten us as to what a fluke is really caused by. Enquiring minds want to know.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 14th May '08 5:19 PM

You're misinterpreting what you see. I played obsessively my first year here. I've seen everything that can happen in Word Rounds. There weren't any Word Matches when I started. I couldn't believe the teeners were real until I worked my way up to being able to get them once in a blue moon.

Keep playing, and when you get your own fluke, you'll see. When you click "start" and it seems to take a long time to load, that's a clue a fluke may be coming - get ready to take advantage of it and try to get a good solid 100% round. A true fluke will lag from up to 20 seconds before the time starts and in that time you can be halfway through your round. I've seen many, many flukes in negative time, too, even had them myself. If the timer lags 20 seconds on someone who can do it in 15 (there are several who can do it routinely), you can see some whopping minus times. It's just balky machinery, no cartel of cooperative cheaters. .

I would just suggest that when things don't look quite right or you don't understnd how or why something is happening, start a friendly conversation and you might pick up some tips. Are you hitting the enter key at the end of each round instead of clicking with the mouse? It will shave up to 3 seconds off your time.

Cheers!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Wed, 14th May '08 5:49 PM

My best time ever finished second to a negative 32 fluke. Sent in a support ticket and never heard anything back. Even though it's obviously rigged you can still enjoy the game. Since the same people seem to 'fluke' over and over, don't expect anyone to care.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 14th May '08 5:59 PM

"Obviously rigged"???

Felix, What the hell is wrong with you? You know that's not true. I wonder you don't get sick on your own poison. The reason the "same" people get them is that they're the "same" people who play the most! If I play, I get them. If I don't play, I don't.

Your tired old malcontented whine about a favored "elite" is getting a bit ridiculous. Everybody doesn't know you well enough to know exactly how full of crap you can be.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Wed, 14th May '08 6:02 PM

Smoke20, I respect your right to voice your opinion.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 14th May '08 6:03 PM

As I respect your right to inform yours.

Cheers.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Wed, 14th May '08 6:08 PM

LOL! YOU called ME old!

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 14th May '08 6:15 PM

Uh oh, what did I start.
Okay, I will take it all with a grain of salt.
Thanks for the info and the feedback.

bluemnguy
Bluemnguy  (Level: 141.9 - Posts: 41)
Wed, 14th May '08 6:15 PM

My wife says it is henanigans!!

rhayader
Rhayader  (Level: 94.0 - Posts: 59)
Wed, 14th May '08 7:30 PM

Foogs - I see what you mean!

Smoke20 - Sounds reasonable to me. I thought everyone was working with the same list of words, which would make cheating too easy. If flukes are more prone to certain systems then I hope I have one of those systems! And thank you very much for the tip about hitting enter! That's a painful few seconds between the time I click "done" and the results screen.

Bluemnguy - "Henanigans" is the same as "Shenanigans." They call it "Henanigans" on Friday nights to promote their all male revue. Be sure to tell her to avoid the mularky and definitely don't touch the balderdash!

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Wed, 14th May '08 10:33 PM

I just knew what you were setting yourself up for Rhayader. Islanders
are REAL quick to defend the integrity of the site, tho' I would like to
have a serious discussion of the concept some day.

It really isn't possible to "cheat" at word rounds or word matches, but
that's not the same as saying it's a level playing field, which is what I
think Felix was referencing. "Fluke," "glitch" and "hiccup" are simply
benign euphemisms for what has recently become an endemic tilt of
sorts. "Flukes" are not natural (hence the name, I suppose), and I don't
believe they are equally distributed, so your fingers might fall off
before you actually get one.

My advice is to challenge yourself at WM/WR. You and Pennwoman are
on the right track (she even has bling!). Set goals for yourself and try not
to focus on what others are doing. If your goal is to build points WR/WM
is a good start. Low 20s will usually get you in the top 10 (all depends
on who's playing). Heck, if you can place in the top 50 of each game,
that's 1,000 points an hour.

I'll be looking for you and PW when I do WM/WR. Maybe we can just
challenge each other.



alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7573)
Wed, 14th May '08 11:12 PM

Foogs; Smoke, and other veteran players are correct and honest with their explanations.

As I've played more WR/WM , I've gotten faster and more likely to score 100% within a few tries. You get to learn some of the likely answers by paying attention and word similarities .
It helps to have a basic knowlewdge of foreign languages and "fish" for some reason.

I still guess a lot and seem to do better anyway because of my increasing experience.
You need to "scan" more then read however to really increase your productivity.

Also, the Firefox Browser is a preferred browser for the Sploofus System.
I only use that now- stopped using the IE and AOL browsers.

You can cheat in Word Puzzles- and that's not worth it. I don't mean by "googling"- but if someone else sends you some answers from their puzzles, you can have an unfair advantage. I hope none of our premier players feel the need to do that.

Computer speeds and connections make a difference, I'm sure. I still use DSL and a relatively old [slower CPU ] PC.- it does cost me a few seconds occasionally.

I've had two flukes since I've been here.
Smoke's scenario is correct.

Good luck- and play fair!

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 15th May '08 10:49 AM

Thank all you guys so much, it makes so much more sense to me that a certain system, browser may lend itself to faster scores just because that is how technology is. I appreciate y'all letting me whine a bit, venting is good for the soul!

bigdavy
Bigdavy  (Level: 131.3 - Posts: 529)
Thu, 15th May '08 11:57 AM

I agree that flukiness seems to be related to the technology -- not just the CPU and browser but possibly also the ISP (Internet Service Provider). I have played constantly for the past 3 months both at home and at work (on my breaks of course!) and have gotten faster, but never seen a fluke. The stars have aligned for some players who are lucky enough to get flukes a lot, I don't think my stars are lining up quite the same way, and at this point I don't expect them to. However I haven't tried Firefox yet, I wonder if Firefox would be more likely or less likely to provide a fluke?

Dave

nelly
Nelly  (Level: 172.0 - Posts: 1167)
Thu, 15th May '08 12:55 PM

I haven't tried Firefox yet for WR/WM either - must give it a go!

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 15th May '08 4:19 PM

I should say congratulations to 1mks who has gotten 3 flukes in one day! I am assuming she works at NASA and is using comp during breaks. Job well done!

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 15th May '08 4:48 PM

Oh and also congratulations to slicko who, not only got his fluke 3 days in a row, he managed to get TWO in each category, in one hour. Strong work!

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 15th May '08 8:15 PM

Yes, Congratulations all around.

I like you, Pennwoman. You don't give up easily. So, I'm thinking about
buying a new computer and software and changing my ISP. Or maybe
I'll just sacrifice a goat. Do you think it will help?

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 15th May '08 9:09 PM

What can I say, just when I start to follow the company line there are five flukes in one day. And thats not couting the 10 sec scores.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 15th May '08 9:19 PM

And in deference to our animal lovers perhaps sacrificing an eggplant or may brussel sprouts will do the trick.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 15th May '08 9:23 PM

Penwoman,

Make no mistake about it, Sicko cheats. He's a freak.

Me.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 15th May '08 9:49 PM

What part of "fluke" don't we get? They're freaks of the system. Sometimes we have them for weeks on end and everyone gets them. Sometimes we see a handful in months. They've been worse, or better, depending on your viewpoint, since the opening of 2.0. I don't have a technical cell in my body, but I know there are weird errors going on all over the site, and I suspect it's got to do with the split system, old and new Sploofus running off the same database. Or maybe not.

In spite of all the explanations offered, I'm still hearing an accusatory tone, as if these players are doing something to make the flukes happen. All they're doing is playing, the same as anyone else. If it happens, it happens. If they weren't also getting all their answers right, the flukes wouldn't matter. I suppose you would like them to not play at all, because they *might* get a fluke?

1mks has a name. Her name is Marsha, and she's a lovely person. She doesn't work for NASA, she's an educator. She has been getting flukes on her work computer, and she's been hurt by some of the petty, unfair and uninformed things people have said to her and about her of late. Slicko is Gary. He's a doctor, an all around swell guy, and a freaking word round genius, so he'll probably beat you every round with or without the fluke.





pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 15th May '08 10:21 PM

All that is very true smoke and I appreciate your loyalty to them.
However my complaint is valid.




foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 15th May '08 10:25 PM

Not accusatory, Smoke. I know flukes can't be controlled. I'm sorry
you feel so affronted. But why can't an editor, or the man himself,
speak for the integrity of the site?

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 15th May '08 10:29 PM

I've read over the thread and I don't see what your complaint is.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 15th May '08 11:14 PM

Let's just say that my enjoyment of WR/WM has dissipated
over the last month, and I'm not happy. It wasn't about
winning or losing, I'm quite used to losing. But at least I
could hope. Without WR/WM the pleasure I once derived
from Sploofus has been cut in half. My sense is I am not
alone. It seems to me the powers that be could at least
offer some assurance that this state of affairs is not
permanent.

Feel free now, fellow islanders, to offer your snark.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Thu, 15th May '08 11:23 PM

I agree with you , Foogs. I know that those players that have been getting flukes usually end up at the top anyway. I don't think anyone is really accusing them of any wrong doing. But , it is a problem - the flukes, and frustrating for those who just want to get better and have a chance of getting in the top three. Why can't the glitch that's causing the flukes be fixed?

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 15th May '08 11:31 PM

I'm down with reporting it and fixing it. I just don't think it helps anything to make an issue of counting who gets how many and making snarky cracks about it.

Pardon my complaint fatigue.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 16th May '08 6:31 AM

I've never been lucky enough to have a fluke, but I know that when I started wrs I was happy with mid 30s. Now I aim for and occasionally get a score less than 20 so I've almost halved my times in a few months. I play on 2 puters and believe me one of them is 5 sec or so faster. Anyway, if I can score an occasional 18, I can see how some folks with faster puters, more experience, and well, more skill can consistently get mid teens or lower. I don't believe there's any cheating. BTW, if you play in the middle of the night you'll place in top 10 much more often! Sandy

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 16th May '08 7:37 AM

another thought occurred to me. Major league batters can hit a 100 mph fastball that most people can't even see. Some folks can just see faster. Hmm, wait a minute. Are Slicko, 1Mks, and the rest of the speedsters taking STEROIDS? Are their craniums all pumped up like Barry Bond's biceps? Who's the Commisionner of Sploofus anyway?


pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Fri, 16th May '08 8:21 AM

I am not here to attack 1mks or Slicko -- I am here to say there must be a problem with the system. I have been repeatedly told "the regulars recognize that flukes happen occaisionally" Well I am at least a beginning regular and I stand by my statement that FIVE flukes in a matter of hours including two flukes in one hour is not right. Epecially when paired with one person getting a fluke three days in a row. I am not the one that started this thread, I am the one that obnoxiously wont let it go. I am not complaining because I want a fluke, I am not complaining because I am not winning the WR. I am not saying the frequent flukers are cheating. I am saying something is not right.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 16th May '08 8:39 AM

maybe there's something about lower digits that throws the system.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 16th May '08 8:45 AM

Maybe, but I've never been able to enter a Word Round using my toes.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 16th May '08 8:48 AM

you haven't been using your toes???

nelly
Nelly  (Level: 172.0 - Posts: 1167)
Fri, 16th May '08 8:57 AM

There are a few things that aren't 'right'! Glitches happen - flukes, getting locked out of WPs etc! I'm sure Justin is doing his best to sort them out - one man can only do so much and it must be a bit of a nightmare trying to get Sploofus 2.0 up and running for all to enjoy asap. Meanwhile, I'll just enjoy throwing my ratttle out of the pram whenever an unfriendly glitch occurs and if it should fluke in my favour! Overall Sploofus is a great site and it's the majority of the members (not forgetting editors) that make it so! Keep smiling everyone - it's better than downtime!

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Fri, 16th May '08 10:23 AM

This is a great site, and I appreciate the fact that there is a lively dialogue about all kinds of things.

Now that I think of it, I do have freakishly long toes, perhaps I'll try it.

rnmorg
Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 690)
Fri, 16th May '08 11:32 AM

I swear to God, I'm going to pistol-whip the next guy who says "Shenanigans"!

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 193.3 - Posts: 1025)
Fri, 16th May '08 11:33 AM

Don't hurt yourself.

Unless you like it.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 16th May '08 11:51 AM

And oh-by-the-way, you can't really tell who gets flukes anyway. A fluke typically takes about 10 seconds off your real time, though it can be considerably more. Many people get them at 45 seconds or so and still don't make the leaderboard, and often don't even realize they've had one. You may have had them yourself and not realized it because you didn't get 100%, or you just thought you had a very good round. Just about any teener you see on the board is a potential fluke. You only notice the ones at the top because - well, they're the ones at the top.

Personally, seeing someone getting a rash of flukes is more fun and less frustrating to that seeing the same player win legitimately hour after hour, day after day. I least I also have a shot at the fluke.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 16th May '08 11:52 AM

ahem..."less frustrating to me than..."

Anyway, just thought I'd toss that in.

ehodgson
Ehodgson  (Level: 136.8 - Posts: 64)
Fri, 16th May '08 12:22 PM

In the fullness of time it doesn't really matter if someone gets a fluke or not.

The people we see getting the flukes are ending up at the top of the list anyway.

They are are still able to get 13 to 14 secs consistently without a fluke and are able to get 100% at that speed.

Ed

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Fri, 16th May '08 12:25 PM

that is utter nonsense.

ehodgson
Ehodgson  (Level: 136.8 - Posts: 64)
Fri, 16th May '08 12:30 PM

You don't think I can't beat 15 secs per round almost every time if I want to????

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Fri, 16th May '08 12:38 PM

I am sure you can. What if you aren't playing?

ehodgson
Ehodgson  (Level: 136.8 - Posts: 64)
Fri, 16th May '08 1:01 PM

If I'm not playing I don't care who wins. I just compare my time to my own previous times anyway.

I might feel differently if we were competing for prizes or something but right now it doesn't matter to me who wins.
Ed

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 16th May '08 1:23 PM

Wordrounds are for wienerheads.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 16th May '08 1:25 PM

Oh yeah? What part of the weiner are you?

rnmorg
Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 690)
Fri, 16th May '08 5:10 PM

That silly looking part at the end.

The man.

rhayader
Rhayader  (Level: 94.0 - Posts: 59)
Tue, 20th May '08 10:55 AM

RnMorg obviously works for Chachki's.

rhayader
Rhayader  (Level: 94.0 - Posts: 59)
Wed, 21st May '08 10:45 AM

Smoke - Thank you so much for the tip about hitting the enter key instead of clicking the link when finished with a WordRound (or any quiz)!!! It is definitely faster! I'm beginning to see how times in the teens could be possible. I'm still a long way from that, though!


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