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Ladyvol  (Level: 213.0 - Posts: 5677)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 10:43 AM


Normally I am not one to come on here and gripe about anyone or anything but this time I felt like I had to say something. I know that some of my quizzes aren't exactly from the brain of Einstein and were made mostly for the fun of it.
Then there are others I have done that have taken alot of time and research on my part for me to write. I am glad for the feedback on all of my quizzes and I espically enjoy hearing from those who like the quizzes I have written.
Then there are those few who take a quiz and score low on it, then rate it low because of this! I know this has happened to others on here as well as myself. The least a person could do when they rate a quiz a 5 or lower is have the courtesy to write the quiz author and explain the low rating instead of sending scratching remarks to said author asking why such drivel is being posted on here as trivia!
I've been here since September of 2004 and I've seen alot of changes and people come and go. Some of the changes have been good while others have not.
I know that the powers that be can't monitor this site and weed out all of the negative remarks made or stop the bombers from acting like idiots because they scored low on a quiz.
I enjoy trivia very much and this site gave me a chance to do this. But right now, I feel like what started out as fun isn't fun anymore.
I haven't decieded yet whether to stay or go. It's something I will have to think long and hard about in the next few days.
Thanks everyone for letting me get on my soapbox here and vent.

Geniuswaitress  (Level: 52.1 - Posts: 381)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 10:49 AM

I really enjoy your quizzes and have taken a ton of them. We've ALL dealt with ratings bombers. Some of the quizzes I write are ultra-hard and some people rate me low because of that. I guess what I'm trying to say is, we're all essentially on a level field because the bombers get us ALL.
Get some fresh air; don't sweat the small stuff; play some other quizzes for awhile.

Oogie54  (Level: 210.8 - Posts: 1120)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 11:03 AM

Don't leave us Vickie, I like your quizzes even though I rarely do that well and I always give at least a seven or eight. The sourgrapers on here will always rate low according to their inability, guess they're looking for easy points and no challenge. My advice to them is look for easy quizzes, and if you accidentally take one that requires knowledge you don't possess, at least have the courtesy to give a decent rating and don't take that person's quiz again. Some of us view this site as a fun and amusing diversion from the real world, not "life and death" struggle to achieve nirvana. Danny

Debls  (Level: 86.5 - Posts: 24)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 11:04 AM

I normally do not respond to the comments printed here, but, I feel that I have to respond to this one. I try to score at least an 8 or 9 on all quizzes that I take. My thinking is that the people who make the quizzes take time and effort to come with original and fun quizzes for us all to take. I have taken quizzes that I know absolutely nothing about and may only score 20%, but I will give that quiz a high score just because it was informative as well as fun and I learn something just for taking the quiz. Keep the quizzes coming and don't the rating-bombers spoil it for yourself and the rest of us.

Schmorganism  (Level: 115.5 - Posts: 56)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 11:44 AM

I know quiz bombers exist and it sucks but I would like to add this in for good measure:
I generally rate a quiz at 7 but if it is evident that a lot of work, research or knowledge went in, I rate higher. A quiz has to be pretty sloppy to get less and this doesn't seem to happen anymore since the editing has gotten so much more stringent.
HOWEVER, since the ratings menu has been physically flipped upside down by Sploofus, I know I may have accidentally given a low score or two. If I have done this to anyone, I apologize because it is purely unintentional...just wondering if other people have possibly done the same thing with no harm intended.

Greyghost  (Level: 69.0 - Posts: 640)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 12:03 PM

NOOOOOOOO,please don't go,i love your quizes.i know how you feel,but i guess we take the good with the bad,lol.i for one have never gave under an 8 on score,regardles of how i do.Matter of fact,if i do lousy,i give a proves there was some research,gb.

Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 12:16 PM

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I'm sure we all agree on that. How they express it, however, is another matter. This is a small community and for someone to say hurtful things to another member says far more about the person making the hateful remarks than the person they've hurt. All you have to do, Vickie, is read through the posts since there's been a chat forum and see the dozens of positive comments about your kind and generous personality and your quizzes. Many people think very highly of you. Why should one crabby remark be more important than all those kind comments?

Tuzilla  (Level: 146.5 - Posts: 3847)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 12:19 PM


Redbaron  (Level: 206.8 - Posts: 297)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 12:37 PM

Don't go!

As for the bombers, yep, they exist and it sucks. But the vast majority of folks are fair raters, I think. I had one person take one of my quizzes, get something like 10% and send me a nice note and rate it a 9 because they thought it was informative and well-written. Just one of those every now and then more than makes up for the bombers.

Just to add to the data here, my "normal" rating for a quiz is 7. (It used to be 6, but I raised it a few months ago.) If I particularly liked it (for any number of reasons) it'll get an 8. If I really enjoyed the quiz, it'll get a 9, but I don't give out 9s too often. My score never has anything to do with how I rate a quiz.

I've also handed out a few 1s. That happens very rarely and only if the quiz has wrong answers or is just simply terrible (IMHO). But I send a note when I do that and I agree that if folks legitimately feel the need to rate a quiz low, a note to the author is appropriate.

Anyway, don't let it get you down and keep on writing!


Geniuswaitress  (Level: 52.1 - Posts: 381)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 1:10 PM

If it makes you feel any better, I've recieved two different notes today telling me a quiz was the worst they ever took! I think it's hilarious! Have you ever noticed that the critical notes are usually all misspelled too? Seriously, Vickie, like I said before, when you find yourself taking this all too seriously -relax! Life's too short! Laugh it off.

Ladyvol  (Level: 213.0 - Posts: 5677)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 1:19 PM

Thanks for all of the support everyone but there has been more than one crappy comment made about my quizzes...I have noticed tho that a couple of those who made them are no longer here....Still, I'm still going to have to think long and hard about I said before it isn't fun anymore....Thanks again for all the support and for just being a friend...

Asdibbens  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 423)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 1:34 PM

If it isn't fun anymore, then by all means take a break for a while, but please don't quit all together. I'd hate to think of all your hard work vanishing. I've taken quite a number, but I still have lots to go. I'm kind of moody about quiz taking/writing; when I'm writing I just like to write, but now I'm definitely in my quiz taking mood and I just found two of yours that hit the spot!

Twinboymom2001  (Level: 67.0 - Posts: 197)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 1:54 PM

Hi Vickie,
I had to come by and give you my support because you have been a good "sploous friend" to me. I enjoy seeing your comments about my quizzes in my inbox and I love sending you feedback as well. I don't understand people who have to rate quizzes low because they did poorly...then to write a nasty note to boot??
I really hope that you decide not to go, but just take a break if you need one. I really enjoy having you here!

Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 853)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 2:00 PM

Vickie, my pal and neighbor to the north, I'm leaving in one hour for a family vacation and when I get back, you'd better still be here.

There are over 8000 members here now, a very small percentage of whom are jerks. You have written a great many quizzes so you are more likely to get the jerks than others (lucky you!).

Take a few days off and come on back. ((( )))

Lulise  (Level: 32.2 - Posts: 248)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 2:25 PM

Maybe Sploofus can make it so that if you rate a quiz, say 5 or lower, you MUST give a reason for doing so. And those comments must go through an editor first to ensure that the comment is true constructive criticism and not just being rude. If the comment is not worth giving the quiz a bad rating, then that rating will not be averaged in at all. That might stop people from bombing.

Redbaron  (Level: 206.8 - Posts: 297)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 2:44 PM

Hmmmm...I don't think folks should be forced to comment or defend low ratings. Sometimes folks just rate low (honestly) and don't feel like starting a discussion with the quiz author about why. That's their right, I think.

I know that Sploofus does something about the bombers, some sort of script; he's mentioned it before. Sploof, can you remind us how Sploofus attempts to deal with bombers?

One thing which might help: Instead of showing the average rating, show the median rating. The average of, say, 1, 7, 8, 8, 9 is 6.6, but the median is 8. Add another bomber and the average drops to 5.6 but the median is 7.5. Other statistical methods involving standard deviations and the such (I'm no statistician!) could also be useful.


Bravegator  (Level: 152.0 - Posts: 428)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 2:52 PM


I just wanted to add my two cents and say maybe the break is a good idea to get away from all the bull, BUT i also agree, you will be sorely missed. You have been one of my "role models"; getting the first words of encouragment on my quizes fed my addiction. I still smile everytime I get a message from you on a quiz. (even if you are a Vol!) So my vote is only take a vacation from the jerks and bombers, and then come back and challenge us again with your quizes!


Suzer22  (Level: 166.3 - Posts: 1982)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 4:30 PM

Vicki - you were the first person I added to my "friends list" when I joind are my quiz writing role model!

It never occurred to me to use the BLOCKING button - but that's a great idea!

Get a good noght's sleep and ignore those jerks who insult your work. There are so many people here who love your stuff!


Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2402)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 5:14 PM

To Vickie..........I know you are hurting, and some thoughtless folks have got a lot to answer for. Keep this in perspective, and remember YOU don't have a problem, just the disgruntled quiz-taker/s.

I have also noticed a few newbies rate low, and make sarcastic comments when they don't score time they will realize how much goes into making a quiz, and makin it GOOD!

Your quizzes are just fine, and we all enjoy 'em........take encouragement from all the folks who have replied to your plaintive plea! Focus on that positivity, and let the negativity slip away to where it should be..........gone!

To Redbaron.......if you check out the profile of a low-rater, Sploofus has put a red "Bomber Alert" next to the section "Rates other players"....

Fri, 6th Jan '06 5:29 PM

Anyone who rates quizzes with an average of 2.9 or lower during a recursive pre-defined date range is flagged as a "bomber", and their "ratings" are completely removed from the system - so they ultimately do not even affect your quizzes.

As for moron's with comments on what you feel is a good quiz? Stupid is as stupid does.

Aquamar  (Level: 187.0 - Posts: 926)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 6:06 PM


You and I have been here a long time. We have seen a lot of our friends leave. You remember the teams? Most of our friends left because of negative things that were said to them. I know it hurts but most of these people are new and they are just passing through, trying this site and other sites not really wanting to make friends. I wouldn't give them a thought. Block them out completely. I don't rate quizzes by how well I do. Can you believe I got 0% correct once? I still gave the author an 8 because it was so well written. Please, Vickie don't go.


Groupw  (Level: 144.4 - Posts: 153)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 7:02 PM

I can't add much to what's already been said by everyone else. It would be a shame to lose you Vickie. You always brighten my day when I see your posts in chat or take your quizzes. I hope you stick around.

Mindmonkey  (Level: 280.5 - Posts: 295)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 7:21 PM

Vlcrowe, you are one of the most enjoyable quiz authors here and write great quizes (even the country and western ones). Now, for the quiz bombers, I think that we just need to let that roll off our backs. It doesn't matter what we do (here or in real life), somebody isn't going to like it. When the great majority of people rate you well and/or contact you and tell you how much they liked what you did, the odds are pretty good that you are doing just fine. Ignore the others.

Now, on the other hand, I don't like the idea that the only ratings that I should give a quiz is a 7, 8, or 9. That's absurd. Why even have a rating system if you can't use the range of options? If everything should rate a 8 or 9, just get rid of ratings. I've seldom rated quizes badly, but those few that got 1s and 2s, etc., deserved them. I'd also note that, since the editing system started, I've virtually never used those numbers.

Last, I wish that the numbers on the rating scale button weren't flipped a week or so ago (subtile pressure to give everything good ratings?). I've inadvertently given a few quizzes 3s when I thought I was giving them 7s.

Redbaron  (Level: 206.8 - Posts: 297)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 8:54 PM

Mindmonkey, I should clarify my previous posting...When I said my "normal" rating was a 7, that was for a quality quiz, that is, a reasonably well-written quiz with good wrong answers. My 7 is "normal" because most of the quizzes I choose to take meet that minimum guideline (and you're right, since editing started the quality has gone up!), and I feel 8 and 9 give me enough room to go up for the truly worthy quizzes. 1s and 2s I reserve for wrong answers or just really crappy quizzes, but I haven't seen one of those in a while. I will give 5s and 6s to borderline quizzes...So I guess I just don't use 3. We can get rid of 3 as far as I'm concerned.


Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 9:31 PM

Ok...since my last one got yanked.

As my father used to say "Don't let the (mean people) get you down.


Tazmaniac72  (Level: 196.2 - Posts: 213)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 10:30 PM

Please stay around Vicki....more good folks keep the bad ones from stinkin' up the place. Besides, someone bombs enough, the'll be run off...

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 11:12 PM

Wow...had an about "Sploofus Survivor".

Gold Members can vote off bombers every week.

I'm IN!!

Oogie54  (Level: 210.8 - Posts: 1120)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 11:23 PM

Let's don't stoop to their level,stuck in a mental morass,holes shot in our self-esteem.We can ignore the small-minded and enjoy sploofing.

Ladyvol  (Level: 213.0 - Posts: 5677)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 11:28 PM

To everyone who has responded to my "gripe" thanks so much...all of these good wishes and thoughtful words brought a line from one of my favorite movies to mind..."A man is never alone who has friends". And I consider each and everyone of you friends! Some of you here have been here for me since the beginning and really helped me thru a rough time when I lost my mom back in June. Tuzilla, Violetblue,greyghost,twinboysmom, dwayla, and all of the others who helped me out during the good and bad times God Bless You all for being the kinds of friends that everyone needs.
Oogie54, bravegator, Chickbref1,joelanddonna,tnlefty and a slew of others are also near and dear to my heart and I consider you all friends too.
Thanks again for the support....I'm gonna sleep on it and I'll decide tomorrow if I'm staying or going....Just keep me in your prayers guys...
You all are loved.....and now before I start crying....I'm gonna hush....thanks again everyone....

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Fri, 6th Jan '06 11:40 PM

And a silence falls over the masses.

Hopefully we have not lost a person that is invaluable to this site.

This sandbox is supposed to be a fun place, those who are bullies should be expelled.

Burma Shave.


Redbaron  (Level: 206.8 - Posts: 297)
Sat, 7th Jan '06 12:18 AM

Agreed, throw the bums out!

And Vickie, don't forget to consider the "vacation" option as well!


Smeans  (Level: 109.2 - Posts: 301)
Sat, 7th Jan '06 9:02 AM

Quite Frankly.....if I take a quiz and it kicks my butt it automatically gets a 9 from me. I rarely ever rate a quiz low. Quiz bombers drive me insane. Don't let them get you down.

Jedley  (Level: 34.2 - Posts: 278)
Sat, 7th Jan '06 1:11 PM

no no no no no no


vicrowe youre the person who took me past being just hooked on trivia to being convinced that THIS site was the one in which I should invest time and enthusiasm because it was also so cool at the HUMAN level.
You frickin NURTURED me as a quiz writer with all those nice comments and stuff.
Do NOT leave!!!


Jedley  (Level: 34.2 - Posts: 278)
Sat, 7th Jan '06 1:15 PM

Plus, I don't think i've ever received a gratuitiously negative comment (of which I've received lots) without there having been at least 9 speling errers -
Do we seriously care what 1)vicious and 2)illiterate people think? Um, lemme answer that for you: NO!

Jenn326  (Level: 22.8 - Posts: 173)
Sat, 7th Jan '06 11:30 PM

I think you are a fantastic person and I am sorry that you have had run ins with rating bombers and just ugly people. I too have been kind of in a funk, so what I have done is take a break from the whole quiz taking/making and just focusing on the WordPuzzles, TQOTD and WordRounds. It has been quite refreshing. I still continue to get messages from ugly people, but I just turn a deaf eye, give the screen the finger and move on about my day.

You are a fantastic person and a true asset to Sploofus. Please don't leave.

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