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smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 18th May '08 9:17 AM

BIZARRE EDITOR DECISIONS

CHEESE!
I guess the point of this thread is to find out if anyone else has ever been ripped off by an editor on one of their decisions regarding the TQOTD. I'll give my most recent example, and I'd like to hear from others about theirs. Here's my example, which cost me 140,000,000 points.

What does Biology mean?

A. Banana
B. Apple
C. Dog
D. Improve medical processes
E. Supervise research

In this case there obviously is no right answer, which would have been "the science that studies living organisms" or something similar. In this case the only two choices are something that Biologists DO. Imagine knowing the answer inside and out, being faced with 5 wrong choices, and losing all those points. Admittedly, even from the editor, there is something wrong with the question, but I won't be awarded my points or token back. WHAT??!! This example I just gave is dead on to the question I was given. Anyone else ever been on the recieving end of the bizarre from the editors? Just wondering. Thanks.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 18th May '08 9:24 AM

Well, almost dead on.

flcyclist
Flcyclist  (Level: 124.6 - Posts: 691)
Sun, 18th May '08 9:44 AM

I've never had that happen with the TQOTD, but in word rounds and word match, you get wierd stuff like that all the time.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 18th May '08 12:13 PM

That is insane. I hope you got your points back and your token restored.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 18th May '08 12:48 PM

Maybe they had a dog named Biology.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Sun, 18th May '08 1:13 PM

I hope Justin sees this, gives you your points, and takes that question out of the running or changes it so there will be a correct answer.

Good luck!
Karen

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 18th May '08 3:24 PM

Thanks for responding. I'm surprised no one else has had an experience like this! At least none have been posted. Nah, my latest support ticket gave me a trivia question of the day but no points or wager tokens. I would just post the question as then the example would be exact, but the editors would just delete it anyway. They said in a case like that I SHOULD have chosen what to them is the "best" answer, since there was no right answer on there. If the word was prediluvian, which means before the flood, for example, and one of my choices was the word "before", they are saying I should have chosen the word "before" because it was the only one to that editor that was close. When I saw I had 5 wrong choices I decided they must be asking me what the word meant in the original greek or something since none of those were the answers.....not sure what to do. What a strange situation! Thanks everybody.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 18th May '08 3:54 PM

By the way, does anyone know how to escalate a support ticket??

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 18th May '08 4:48 PM

Keep putting in support tickets - maybe another editor will answer and see things your way. That's what I did when the drop down box covered the questions & answers and I couldn't click in time.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 18th May '08 4:50 PM

BTW, to whatever Power-that-be is listening, those dropdown boxes have GOT TO GO! Or at least be moved. They cause problems with TQOTD, showdowns, and as I recently discovered, Word Rounds. Really annoying!

phitzy1
Phitzy1  (Level: 66.4 - Posts: 873)
Sun, 18th May '08 6:16 PM

you could attach a bomb...

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 18th May '08 6:37 PM

I'm confused. SYL, are you saying the above was actually your TQOTD, word for word?

I assume that can be checked since the Qs are in a database of some sort.

I mean, my gut reaction is, for 140 million points, you have to get the damn question right. I've been here a year and I only have 24 mil.

But if that was the question word for word, there should be a correction.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 18th May '08 6:49 PM

No, I can't post the original question here. It wasn't the best example, I've since thought of better ones. I'm just going to let it drop as far as the BBS is concerned.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 18th May '08 7:22 PM

I don't understand your answer. You got everybody fired up, what was the actual discrepancy?

I mean, I know you see it from one side of the games being unfair, but blithely restoring anyone's points who lose a game isn't fair either.

So, the determining factor is the actual question. Maybe we'd all agree with the editor, dude

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 18th May '08 7:47 PM

If I post the question, it will get deleted. However, I'll give you the best example I can, and maybe you would agree with the editor, dunno, don't care. Imagine that you know quite a bit about the topic of bibliomancy. If I got this question on the tqotd of the day, just like the one I got wrong, I would know the answer immediately. One of the tricks I use in WR's is to constantly break down words into their constituent parts. I now do that even when I'm not playing. In this case, I would have translated: biblio means "pertaning to books" and -mancy means "divination". This is where the "example" breaks down a bit. Some people who engage in bibliomancy do not study the books themselves ahead of time, unlike the word I recieved. But for the sake of fairness and argument let's say that they do. If you were given two choices, for define: bibliomancy: "divination" MERELY, (not book divination which would actually be the right answer) and book studies, assuming in this case that bibliomancers actually study books as well as divine them, which should be chosen? Both answers are of course wrong. Not the best example, the real example is slightly better in my mind, but that would just be deleted anyway. And REALLY? TQOTD's are now being reduced to "choose the best answer" in five seconds instead of choose the right answer? Why would anyone be punished for that? Book and divination is how the word breaks down, if they were going to try and trick you they should at least put the right answer somewhere among the choices. Just my opinion.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 18th May '08 7:54 PM


I dunno, I'd have to see the actual example (cough, PM)

And "divination" sounds close enough to "study" to me in your rhetiricla example:



Main Entry:
div·i·na·tion Listen to the pronunciation of divination
Pronunciation:
ˌdi-və-ˈnā-shən
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English divinacioun, from Latin divination-, divinatio, from divinare
Date:
14th century

1 : the art or practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge usually by the interpretation of omens or by the aid of supernatural powers 2 : unusual insight : intuitive perception

ladyvol
Ladyvol  (Level: 205.4 - Posts: 5491)
Sun, 18th May '08 8:23 PM

The Question Of The Day is randomly chosen and the editors have nothing to do with those questions. At least that is my understanding...
Vickie

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Sun, 18th May '08 8:35 PM

I think you're wrong, Vickie. I was told the TQOTD's were written by Editors. And if you came across one that was particularly heinous, you could send in a support ticket and the question could be submitted to its author for possible revision. I believe this was mentioned in the chats somewhere. It was also mentioned that current editors couldn't change questions submitted by former editors.

Perhaps an editor could chime in and clarify?

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Sun, 18th May '08 9:01 PM

Jeremy, it is"all" how they interpret the problem. I made an ass of myself with this Snooker BS and I'll never be convinced it should be considered a sport. I lost in the area of 80 million points on two Snooker questions last fall. If given a proper question on a regular basis, that could've compounded my personal totals quite a bit. This does not account for the three Showdowns I never got my time or even if I answered correctly.

ladyvol
Ladyvol  (Level: 205.4 - Posts: 5491)
Sun, 18th May '08 9:19 PM

I may be wrong but I distinctly remember reading a post from an editor not too long ago about this problem before. That editor stated that they couldn't change the question of the day but they could reset it if someone didn't get their question. I also remember someone saying that the editors didn't write the question of the day...I can't for the life of me remember who the editor was that wrote this but I do remember reading this. always before the QOTD was randomly chosen. Justin I think was the one who stated this...Like I said though I could be wrong...someone help please...
Vickie

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 18th May '08 9:31 PM

Well, since we're playing something kin to "gossip," I thought it said the original questions were pre-packaged somewhere else, and then editors started writing them - but that they did not delete the others, so it's half and half.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofusmaximus (Editor)  
Sun, 18th May '08 10:21 PM

There is a large group of questions in play from the time before editors. Editors have since added to the bunch. We cannot access the old pre-editor questions to modify them at this time. As an editor I can only access/modify the questions that I wrote. We have on ongoing list of problem questions that we hope one day to be able to fix. If an editor recognizes one of the problem questions as their own then he/she will fix it right away.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Sun, 18th May '08 10:28 PM

Even though Jeremy makes my skin crawl... I think the boy should get back his points.

I too have been burned by one too many dumbass QOTD, while I agree that "trivia" in itself means useless information, I could give you a laundry list of questions I have had (I only wager on Movies and TV) that are so obscure inandof themselves that it's not a fair test at all...much less not having the correct answer listed, which happened to me on Friday.

Gotta go puke now that I stuck up for Jeremy.

Me.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 18th May '08 10:45 PM

I say give 'em back, plus another billion for his time, trouble, and mental anguish.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 18th May '08 10:50 PM

And an extra billion for what chick just said to me. Was that supposed to help me chick? Ouch.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Sun, 18th May '08 11:00 PM

I'll give you a million points if you can return the favor for every dumbass wager I made?

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 18th May '08 11:05 PM

I was skeptical as you can see above but after PMing with Jeremy I think he should get his points back

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:19 AM

I feel kinda left out...I didn't get a PM...who am I?

It's like the Peter Brady "I'm A Hero Party"

Sob.

Me.

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7570)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:21 AM

When day to day living gets you down; When the cost of living gets out of hand; When Sploofus frustrates the heck out of you; When Smaug [forget it];

try this thought process!


http://www.mchenrycountyblog.com/uploaded_images/What-me-worry-715605.jpg



kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:49 AM

Chick,

It beats being Jan!

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 19th May '08 1:00 AM

Where's the emphasis on the title of this thread?

Is it "Bizarre" Editor Decisions?

or is it

"Bizarre Editor" Decisions?

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Mon, 19th May '08 1:20 AM

LOL LODI....

AL....Re: your quote....
everyone knows he was Mad!!!!
In the sense of "Insane"
"Don't worry, Be happy" is one of the stupidest
things anyone ever said. Probably they were on
some substance or other....

lamizell
Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Mon, 19th May '08 1:22 AM

It's crazy that the questions can't be regularly updated and obsolete or incorrect questions weeded out. I remember getting burned on a reality show question that asked about a specific contestant in a series that ran only six episodes four years prior. I think the success rate was six or seven percent.

It seems to me that any question with an under-20-percent success rate should be reexamined. If the laws of random guessing don't apply, something is likely fishy either in the wording or the answer.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Mon, 19th May '08 1:43 AM

I was under the impression,
the more points you wager
the harder the questions get....
Anyone else think that????

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.4 - Posts: 2671)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:47 AM

I had heard that in early Sploofus the questions got harder as levels increased but that approach was dropped quite a while ago. Now all players, at whatever level they may be, ar given random questions from the same database.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 19th May '08 8:31 AM

Where is it written that the Editors are fair? Where might you have been since the conception of Sploofus? I reported a wrong doing over a month ago. Have I had any response? NO SIR! The Editor hold grudges just like all other bipeds. I once had one tell me that I was not welcomed at Sploofus and that I would soon be thrown off the site. Yet this Editor let another player berate me and erased only my post regarding the manner. Editors being fair or doing the right thing? LMAO! What color is the sky in your world?


Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Mon, 19th May '08 9:04 AM

Lamizell - You are right. We certainly wish we had the ability to access the TQOTD database to edit questions, put them in the correct categories, delete obsolete questions, etc. But we cannot. Only the editor who wrote any given question has the ability to edit that question. Many questions were written in the pre-editor days, and they cannot be touched at all.

Stoutyoungladd - Please know that we have been discussing this problem for hours and hours. It is not something that is being shoved under any rug.

Felix - None of this is at all personal. We are attempting to set an impartial policy so that all questions can be dealt with in exactly the same manner.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:49 PM

There you go Felix
Everyone's equal
Editors hate us all!!!!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 19th May '08 3:35 PM

Often the sound of something (or someone) being turned off is "clique".


Plato

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 19th May '08 5:05 PM

"clique"

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:35 PM

(Spew all over the monitor, thanks... )

I prefer a clapper.

rnmorg
Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 690)
Mon, 19th May '08 10:05 PM

What's the sound of clap?

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 19th May '08 10:16 PM

It's not so much a sound as a burning sensation.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 19th May '08 10:21 PM

It sounds like a pair of maracas


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