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Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:26 AM


Ok, in Chicago, we're over 4 per gallon...for regular unleaded (don't EXPECT me to convert that for you metric people). My truck is about $100 to fill up, my car is over $50.

When does the insanity stop? I'm frustrated and broke.


Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:31 AM

I hear ya Chick.. same problem here in Ontario... and I drive a LOT in sales

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Mon, 19th May '08 1:28 AM

Did anyone watch CNN "Special Investigations" tonight????
Let's hope this Sugar thing works out as a substitute
Otherwise it won't be just people who go broke....

Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Mon, 19th May '08 1:42 AM

Its twice as expensive in the UK, due to taxes. Lets hope somebody can come up with something, tell OPEC and the oil companies to take a running jump.

Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Mon, 19th May '08 4:03 AM

We Ozzarians are paying the appx. equivalent of SIX AMERICAN DOLLARS per gallon. ...or more!!

That's $AU1.55 per litre for the metric folk.


Debbie1957  (Level: 45.7 - Posts: 402)
Mon, 19th May '08 4:22 AM


I watched the cnn special last night. Makes you wonder why sugar or corn wasn't used years ago. What about solar energy, I am for that. Too bad my family thinks I nuts.


Achad  (Level: 213.6 - Posts: 661)
Mon, 19th May '08 4:37 AM

Average UK price per gallon is £5.65 for diesel and £5.12 for unleaded, that's about $11.08 and $10.04! Good job I walk alot!

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Mon, 19th May '08 6:49 AM

Anyone here drive a hybrid? I'd be interested to know how you like it.

Mplaw51  (Level: 184.8 - Posts: 1581)
Mon, 19th May '08 6:49 AM

We're anywhere from $3.61 to $3.71 depending on who is selling it. It baffles me that more effort hasn't been put into finding more solutions to to the one horse show known as OPEC. That can't be a bottomless well in any case. It certainly isn't some grand scheme to say our earth is being abused and now the price is high. I hate it and my pocketbook hates it more.

Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Mon, 19th May '08 6:54 AM

I am using unleaded fuel with 10% ethanol made from Aussie sugar cane. I WOULD use a hybrid vehicle if one came my way. I also wonder about their performance and reliability. It's gotta have the power and performance of my V6 though


Kaufman  (Level: 269.8 - Posts: 3943)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:24 AM


In early 2005, we were looking at no fewer than four driving trips of over 1000 miles over the next few months. With the "junior" of our two cars having over 130,000 miles on it and showing signs of age, we decided to get rid of one of our two cars, and get a new car for the months ahead. That car turned out to be a 2005 Prius. It was the third year for the Toyota Hybrid, so we figured that a lot of the kinks in the model had gotten worked out.

That car now has 42,000 miles, and has been extremely reliable. No problems whatsoever, and it's such that recommended service intervals are every 5000 miles, rather than 3000 or 3750. It wasn't a cheap car, but it wasn't expensive either, and any extra we paid, I'd sort of rather give to a car company than an oil company anyway. It still can get over 50 MPG in good driving conditions (longer trips, warmer weather, averaging 40-60 mph), and occasionally in highway driving has exceeded 500 miles on a tank of gas before swallowing 10 or so gallons of unleaded.

Ten months after we bought that car, somebody ran a red light and totaled our remaining older car. We shopped around and wound up with ... a 2006 Prius. It too has shown similar performance. We had one incident driving at 70-75 mph on the interstate in South Carolina, when we hit some debris and blew a tire. The control that car kept was superb.

In spite of its fuel economy, the Prius is not an economy car per se. Sizewise, it's more of a midsize, and Toyota has opted to give it features in harmony with an image as a "car of the future". It certainly isn't a 20th century vehicle.

As I say, we have had no problems as a two-Prius family, and if asked, would offer no reservations to someone considering getting one.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:56 AM

Thanks, Ken. (I swear, sometimes the Salty Dog is better than Consumer Reports!)

Do you know anything about how long the battery lasts and how expensive it is to replace? (That's probably my only partial hangup, and with gas prices escalating, I'm sure it outweighs the replacement cost of the battery.)

Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Mon, 19th May '08 8:20 AM

Great info! Now here's a question for any and all....

In 2 years, my daughter will be driving (which is its turmoil, but save that for another day).

We have a car that is mechanically sound, but the engine has nearly 200K on it.

It would cost about $10 K US to convert this car into an electric with a top speed of 60 mph and a range of 150 miles using marine batteries.

Would y'all go this route or shop for a newer, fuel efficient car?

Obviously we've got time, but I'd appreciate any thoughts....

Kaufman  (Level: 269.8 - Posts: 3943)
Mon, 19th May '08 8:40 AM

I think the battery has an expected lifespan of at least five years, but I don't remember the replacement costs. We haven't had to deal with that yet.

As for the electric and computerized gadgetry, we accordingly decided to buy into the extended (6 or 7 year, 100K mile) warranties to keep us covered should they start to fail.


Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Mon, 19th May '08 8:47 AM

Thanks, Ken! (How about your own thread: "Ask Kaufman"?)

Scifidwarf  (Level: 149.1 - Posts: 249)
Mon, 19th May '08 9:01 AM

Gas prices are high in the United States but they're not as bad as in some places. A couple of months we had a missionary from Barbados come to our church and she said that gas was almost $6.00 a gallon there. Can you imagine? I don't like paying the price I do but I am glad I don't have to pay that much. Not yet anyway.

Bigbird  (Level: 250.2 - Posts: 3345)
Mon, 19th May '08 9:07 AM

Here is a website where you enter your zip code, and you get the gas prices from the day before for your area. Stations are ranked by price from the previous day. Hope it helps you save a buck or two! Just change the zip, and you're good to go.


Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Mon, 19th May '08 9:22 AM

I do believe it would be better to invest in another
car (maybe a Toyota Prius hybrid?) for your precious
daughter. A car with over 200,000 on it is bound to
have some pretty major problems coming up, and you
don't want your daughter stranded somewhere, where
she may not be safe.
Over the years I have been stuck alone in some pretty
isolated places - but fortunately have the experience
to handle difficult situations with men who have stopped
"to help"

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Mon, 19th May '08 9:39 AM

Gas this morning was $3.83 in Adrian. I am limiting my cruise nights to car shows that are closer to home this summer. I get around 10 mpg in my Mercury sled and that gets to be a pain in the butt. My friends are in the same boat so I think the gas price thing is going to affect the whole sport. Not going to change vacation plans though. If we drive our Liberty we average 19 on the road, and our Saturn gets 35. That makes it a no-brainer when we do about 1500 miles for the trip. Less gas $$$=more party $$$.

Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Mon, 19th May '08 9:57 AM

Rowlanda: Ultimately, that's what we're likely to do, discretion being the better part of adventure....

Donden: The gas price has squeezed a lot of the car shows in our neck of the woods. Used to be the car folks loved to drive to just about any festival and show off their pride and joys. Now, the cost of gas has really hammered the older guyson fixed incomes. They just can't make it to all the little shows anymore.

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5426)
Mon, 19th May '08 10:09 AM

Ethanol is making an impact and is growing.

From the Nebraska Ethanol Board Web site:

"There are currently 21 ethanol production plants in Nebraska, producing over 1.3 billion gallons of ethanol each year—and requiring nearly 500 million bushels of grain in the process.

These ethanol plants represent more than $1.4 billion in capital investment in the state and provide direct employment for some 1,000 Nebraskans.

Nebraska ranks second nationally in ethanol production—and is the largest ethanol producer west of the Missouri River. "


Other information indicates there are possibly as many as 20 more ethanol plants under consideration in Nebraska alone.

I have used ethanol in my vehicles for years and have had no more - and probably fewer - engine repairs than others. The only problem I had with it was in a 1989 van that vapor-locked in the hot summer days. I've had no problems with my current vehicle.

Often people will criticize the ethanol production saying it takes corn away from people. It really doesn't. The corn used in ethanol production is not for human consumption - it's only used to feed animals.

Switchgrass is also being researched for ethanol production. It used to cover much of the Plains states. Because it can grow to 10 feet tall in a season, it looks like a "sea" of grass swaying in the wind.

What's being done is just a drop in the bucket, however. Solar energy, in some parts of the country, should be feasible. I think the automobile companies can do more to provide higher efficiency vehicles.

We can also do more to get better efficiency from our vehicles -- keeping the engine in good condition, getting rid of unnecessary weight in our vehicles (sometimes I carry 2 or 3 bags of dog food in the back because I don't have a storage shed - at the expense of better mileage in town), driving at a reasonable speed (fuel efficiency goes down at 70 mph and faster), avoid jack-rabbit starts and stops, etc.

Well, now, don't you all know way more about ethanol than you ever wanted to know? Heck, now that I think about it, I should have made this into a quiz!!!

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Mon, 19th May '08 10:32 AM

It's only used to feed animals? Hey Salzy, that creates a problem right there. Why do you think milk and beef prices are going up? Ethanol is NOT the answer and never will be. I won't use it and I know of many others that feel the same way. Another question; With all the extra acreage being used for Ethanol, where is this land coming from? It's coming at the expense of soybeans, wheat, tomatoes, potatoes, etc. I certainly don't begrudge the farmer when he plants for bigger profits. They have been getting screwed for a long time but this is ridiculous. Already some local farmers who have traditionally planted tomatoes are turning to corn for fuel. Someday when the Ethanol fad is over we will come to our senses and plant FOOD!!!

Ehodgson  (Level: 136.8 - Posts: 64)
Mon, 19th May '08 11:21 AM

Donden..I agree with you 100%.

The price of everything containing Wheat, corn and barley has risen dramatically recently. Look at the scarcity of rice on the world market lately.

Our food supply is threatened due to our insatiable thirst for gasoline and diesel fuel. The ethanol fad is just that..a fad, dreamed up by politicians to give us a placebo. There, there everything is going to be fine. Well it's not going to be fine. The only hope we have is to REDUCE usage of petroleum and find alternative sources of energy or else we'll freeze in the dark.

It's no use ranting to our politicians to reduce fuel's not going to happen.

I can see us maybe returning to simpler times with corner stores and local schools and businesses coming back. Some place we can walk or bicycle to.

I know my RV is for sale.......anyone?

Bluemnguy  (Level: 148.1 - Posts: 41)
Mon, 19th May '08 11:52 AM

My daughter bought a Toyota Prius and just loves it. Of course they live in Minneapolis and don't do much rural highway driving. I might have to get rid of my 1995 Suburban!

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:23 PM

CNN said that the grains Americans are using for ethanol production are causing their
own huge environmental problems. Richard Branson has sunk billions into the attempt
to improve efficiency, but the problems appear to be insurmountable. All of the businesses he owns are major users of petroleum - Air Lines, Recording devices etc.

Brazil has concentrated on the use of Sugar, and is getting 7 times the returns
produced by grains like wheat - and little pollution in the process.
Of course Brazil is also clearing the Rain Forests which provide much of the world's make way for suger cane crops.

Seems we will have lots of Ethanol, but dangerous climates and no air!!!!

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3641)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:26 PM

If they are using sugar, does that mean the price of candy bars are going to go up? Because that will REALLY piss me off.

Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:28 PM

Y'all don't forget that the corn being used for ethanol is being diverted from the fine stills of the Carolinas!

Ehodgson  (Level: 136.8 - Posts: 64)
Mon, 19th May '08 12:44 PM

It takes 6 units of energy to produce 1 unit of ethanol energy.

Corn takes a lot more fertilizer and water than many food crops.

It will eventually come down you want food and water or do you want to drive your SUV whenever you want?

Many people don't realize............The times they are achangin'!

I think it will eventually be the people making 40 grand a year will be walking and the for the ones making 200 grand a year it will be business as usual.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Mon, 19th May '08 2:06 PM

I don't do ANY extra driving. No time. Everything is to and from work and work-related events.

I can't cut down any further, and hauling instruments requires a vehicle that will haul them. Can't walk and transport basses.

When school is out, I won't leave my house except for church and anywhere I can walk. Won't go to the store except on church days.

Time to unhook the bicycle from the garage top. At least it's a dry heat here.

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5426)
Mon, 19th May '08 3:06 PM

Don't blame ethanol OR the farmers for the rising prices. As usual, whenever food costs go up the farmers get the blame, but when you check it out they are making maybe only 1 or 2 cents more than before. Blame transportation costs to get products from coast to coast. Just a few years ago truckers paid $1.50 or so a gallon for diesel. Now it's upwards of $4.50 a gallon. There isn't that much margin in the trucking industry so that extra cost has to be passed on.

We have a university research center here and much of their work is in developing crops that require less water, using no-till on crops, etc. With no-till there are fewer trips around the field, meaning less expense for the farmer.

Brazil has been many years ahead of us in ethanol production and in producing cars to run efficiently on it.

But you are right when you say ethanol, or whatever alternative power source you choose, is just part of the solution, In some states - Nebraska and Texas two of them - you have miles and miles to drive to get anywhere. It's not feasible to ride a bicycle 30 miles to town for repairs for the windmill that has to be up and running as quickly as possible. But it is possible to take a fuel-efficient small car to town instead of the dually pickup.

By the way, our area is mainly corn-growing country, with some wheat. Area farmers are experimenting with various crops from milkweed for clothing to sunflowers for various uses. There are some good-sized farms raising onions and potatoes. You'll never find rice or cotton growing in Nebraska. Well, I guess it's dangerous to say never - who knows.

here's a tip to help you save money and energy. Get some 5-gal. buckets and plant a tomato plant in each, or a zucchini plant if you don't have room for any other garden. Grow some of your own food.

We can discuss many ways to save fuel, and debate the issues of the which alternative fuel is best. Not all of them are wrong and not all of them are right.

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2765)
Mon, 19th May '08 3:23 PM

Ethanol is not the answer. For one thing, it can not be transported through existing pipelines. So it gets driven around.

Whiteboard that and spot the error.

Ehodgson  (Level: 136.8 - Posts: 64)
Mon, 19th May '08 3:59 PM

For another thing it has 34% less energy than gasoline.

If a vehicle is modified to burn 100% ethanol, it can't burn gasoline without extensive modification.

Ethanol is destructive to many parts on a conventional engine.

It won't reduce imports of petroleum one bit.

IN the USA between 1995 and 2005 corn production was subsidized to the tune of 37.3 million dollars....for what?


Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Mon, 19th May '08 4:00 PM

Unless you're drinking it....

Ehodgson  (Level: 136.8 - Posts: 64)
Mon, 19th May '08 4:03 PM

I stand corrected.

No matter how high the price of alcohol goes, it will never reach it's true value.

Speaking of Knob Hill or Wild Turkey of course.

Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 689)
Mon, 19th May '08 4:07 PM

It isn't just the driving of your own car that makes a difference. One change our family is trying to make is to purchase and use household goods that are as local as possible. The goods that people buy can come from so far away and the price of gas used to haul them naturally gets passed onto us as well. We have tried to simplify our consumption by making our household cleaners from vinegar, baking soda, borax and plain castille soap (Dr. Bronner's) rather than a million and one different cleaning products. Already, it is making a HUGE difference in our cabinets. I can't believe how much space we have! The trick will be to keep them that empty when times are not as lean.

Buying foods that are local and in season can also make a small difference. I am reading Animal, Vegetable, Miracle by Barbara Kingsolver (the author of The Poisonwood Bible) which is about her family's pledge to spend a year buying nothing but food that came from within 30 miles of their home. It is NOT an easy thing to do, but it's worth the research!

Ehodgson  (Level: 136.8 - Posts: 64)
Mon, 19th May '08 4:23 PM

Rnmorg, has hit the nail on the head(is that politically correct).

Our area grows millions of pounds of potatoes per year but yet I can go to the super market and buy California potatoes for less.

Our pork and beef farmers are going out of business every day and it seems that no one cares because the price is a few cents more to buy local.

I think in the future the public is going to have to get used to not having strawberries and iceburg lettuce in January(in northern climates anyway). This is the way it was until the 1960's anyway.

I remember when having oranges and Red Delicious apples at Christmas time was a big deal. Every one start laughing now.


Smeans  (Level: 109.2 - Posts: 301)
Mon, 19th May '08 5:08 PM

Gas is currently $3.93 for regular unleaded and $4.59 for diesel here in WV where I live. It took me $54 to fill up my little Cavalier about depressing. Rob's Explorer takes $60 a pop, 3 times a week....It sucks so so bad. Can I interest anyone in an Explorer?? Didn't think so.....*sigh* Driving has been cut down to a absolute minimum, I think I am going to go get some of those huge tubs this weekend and plant some veggies because the price of them in the store is outrageous. Where we live it's nothing but red clay and no where is really conductive for setting up an in ground garden so a container garden it will be. I grew hot peppers like that years ago....time to grow some tomatoes, squash, zucchini, green peppers, maybe some Kale greens if I can find them, and herbs....lots of herbs because the price of fresh ones in the store has just gotten crazy, no thank you....I'll grow my own and walk outside and pick them when I need them instead of running out to the store to buy some. Road trips?? LMAO....I don't see any of them to come.....too expensive to just go driving somewhere just on a whim. Every trip has it's purpose....most of the time multiple purposes to warrant the trip and the gas used. I think it's about time to start walking to work, it's not that far for me and the exercise will do me good. Rob on the other hand....LOL not possible when he's driving about 60 miles one way to get to work.

Wordster  (Level: 167.7 - Posts: 939)
Mon, 19th May '08 6:54 PM

On my last fill up here in the UK (May 15th) I paid £1.13/litre for regular unleaded (lead free) fuel. That's about £4.52($9)/US Gal. Diesel is £1.20/litre! I use my car for work.
Last week I paid £100 ($195) for 2 hours work on my car.

Wordster  (Level: 167.7 - Posts: 939)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:16 PM

Achad, you forgot that our Imperial gallons are 10% bigger than US gallons approx. At least that is one thing we have that's bigger!

Maurlin  (Level: 221.5 - Posts: 2717)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:48 PM

There's a really eye-opening slideshow of Dubai, explaining what's happening to the oil profits. I can't figure out how to put a link to it, but if you put "Rachael and Dave's Dubai slideshow" in Google, it should be the first thing listed. Mind blowing!

Oldcougar  (Level: 229.6 - Posts: 1935)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:50 PM

We had a solar heating assessment done & it was feasible here on The WET Coast. Even in Winter, it would provide us with most of our energy needs. Unfortunately not cheap, I keep hoping the Government will step in with interest free loans, but no luck so far.

Bio-fuel is supposed to be made with leftovers from our food & wood production, not taking away from our food supplies, nor knocking down forests to grow more fuel. It also needs to be sustainable. Check out this site & learn about perennial crops being developed that need no fertilizer or water thus saving fuel & Mother Earth.

We're getting a carbon tax here in BC as of June 1, unfortunately it will cause inflation & is far more of a penalty for rural & remote communities residents. Not really the answer. I'm sick of our leaders using stop gap solutions without truly addressing the problems. While we can all do more as individuals, nothing will change until we elect governments that demand industry lead the way.

We planted 160 ft of potatoes yesterday & my aching back is cursing me for going green, but won't they taste good

Gypsylady  (Level: 149.2 - Posts: 6102)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:53 PM

I think this is the link, Linda, and then you have to click on the little screen which shows up to see it in Powerpoint. I just looks like a small download screen!


Gypsylady  (Level: 149.2 - Posts: 6102)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:54 PM

It did show up where you can click on it, but if you copy and paste it in the address bar, it should work!


Gypsylady  (Level: 149.2 - Posts: 6102)
Mon, 19th May '08 7:56 PM

Sorry, I meant DID NOT show up as a link to click on, but if you copy & paste it in the address bar, it will bring up the little screen to get you into PowerPoint! I tried it, and it will work.


Maurlin  (Level: 221.5 - Posts: 2717)
Mon, 19th May '08 8:36 PM

Thanks! That DID work.

Flcyclist  (Level: 132.4 - Posts: 691)
Mon, 19th May '08 9:57 PM

18 cheers for cycling! I use my bicycle whenever I can - groceries (I have a trailer I can haul that can hold up to 6 full bags of groceries) and other errands during the daytime. Unfortunately I absolutely refuse to bicycle at night since I ride on the road (as bicycles are supposed to) and my social life is fairly decent, so I still put mileage on my Toyota Sienna, which only gets about 18 mpg. At least the gas prices here in Florida are not as high as in some areas of the world (yet!). I wish I had gotten a Prius when I bought the Sienna new last year! Hind sight is great! So get a bicycle and wear a helmet and save the gasoline!!!

Mplaw51  (Level: 184.8 - Posts: 1581)
Mon, 19th May '08 9:59 PM

Mind boggling...

Tazmaniac72  (Level: 196.2 - Posts: 213)
Mon, 19th May '08 11:31 PM

Whether you live in the U.S., Europe, or Australia, pay $3.80, $6, or $11+ American dollars per gallon, we can all agree that...


I think it's amazing that the average American income has increased at less than 3%, while the price of gas has more than tripled in the last five years. I remember gas under $1 a gallon, and this was not that many years ago. I just never knew that a oil leak in a valve somewhere in Nigeria could raise the cost of a barrel of oil by $5. That was an actual excuse I heard a few months ago on why the price of crude oil just keeps going up. I think there's too much 'natural' gas flowing around some oil execs....get my drift?

Keithr81052  (Level: 151.4 - Posts: 147)
Mon, 19th May '08 11:56 PM

we all thought the world would end with 1.00 gas, when I worked at a station premum gas was 32 cents, and people thought that was high. Sadly those days are gone and unless and until we find a different way to fuel our transportation the high prices are here to stay for both food and energy, there is no easy short term fix for our problems today.

Maurlin  (Level: 221.5 - Posts: 2717)
Tue, 20th May '08 3:36 AM

More nostalgia: I can remember as a teen having gasoline for 19 cents/gallon, and getting glasses or green stamps (remember those) as an incentive to buy the gas. Back in the day, gas wars meant prices going down, not up.

Good grief, I sound like my parents. AAAGH!!!

Surreyman  (Level: 274.4 - Posts: 2775)
Tue, 20th May '08 3:46 AM

/1/ The British Prime Minister is trying to raise our already massive fuel taxes even more in coming months.

/2/ Fuel companies are announcing record profits (which is irrespective of national taxation rates of course).

So we pay over $10 per gallon.

Well, it's better than Moscow's $10 for a pint of beer I suppose!

Go figure.

Alvandy  (Level: 241.6 - Posts: 7719)
Tue, 20th May '08 6:41 AM

Marketing strategy:

Several car dealers in the Central PA area [Chrysler] are advertising that if you purchase certain models- an incentive will be that the cost of gasoline will be "only" $2.99/ gallon for three years [based on 12000 miles /year.]

I believe this is increasing a lot of interest- their sales have been declining.

What other areas are advertising this offer? Would this affect your decision to buy a Chrysler product if in the market for a new car?

Mplaw51  (Level: 184.8 - Posts: 1581)
Tue, 20th May '08 7:04 AM

first the mind boggling was for the slide show not riding your bicycle Flcyclist!
This one is very long but you may find it interesting.... It was sent to me by e-mail, I'm not the author.

I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline....
But here in California we are also paying higher, up to $4.50 per gallon.
But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now,
so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for
every gallon.
Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San
Jose, CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period
thru the pipeline.
One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular
and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with
a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.
Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early
morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that
all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The
colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer
gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your
gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the
specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel,
ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.

A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this
business. But the service stations do not have temperature
compensation at the pumps.

When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to
a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger
has three (3)
stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping
on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while
you are pumping.
All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are
pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your
tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the
underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.

One of the most important tips is to fill up when your
gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the
more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty
space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline
storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance
between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.
Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load
is temperature compensated so that every gallon is
actually the exact amount.
Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping
into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill
up--most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and

you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the
bottom. Hope this will help you get the most value for your money.



Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it.
It might even be good for us! The Saudis are
boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.
An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.
Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting
more money
into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas
companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time
I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are
trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.
I thought it might be interesting for you to know
which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies import Middle Eastern oil.
These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell.......................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco..........................62,231,000 barrels
Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who
hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these
imports amount to over $18 BILLION!
(Oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel)

Here are some large companies that do not import
Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco.................0 barrels
Conoco.................0 barrels
Sinclair................0 barrels
B P/Phillips............0 barrels
Hess.......................0 barrels
ARC0....................0 barrels
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy
and each is required to state where they get their oil
and how much they are importing.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally
millions of gas Buyers. It's really simple to do.
Now, don't wimp out at this point.... Keep reading
and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If
each of you send
it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those
300 send it to at least
ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) .. and so on, by the time
the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have
reached over THREE MILLION consumers !!!!!!! If those three million get
excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million
people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it .....
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
How long would all that take?

Fudypatootie  (Level: 207.0 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 21st May '08 1:10 AM

Another tip for saving gas - be sure your tires are inflated to the proper pressure. This increases fuel efficiency and safety.

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Wed, 21st May '08 2:36 AM

Thanks Maureen for taking the time and trouble to
give us all that interesting info about Gas....
I had heard that we should keep the gas topped up
in the Winter....but didn't know why

Wordster  (Level: 167.7 - Posts: 939)
Wed, 21st May '08 5:31 AM

mplaw that was an interesting e-mail. I didn't know all that about filling up my tank. It would be good if more people bought cars that got high mpg. I recently hired a small van - a 2008 Berlingo (1.4 engine). I was shocked how low the mpg was. I can't believe a 2008 vehicle like this is such a gas-guzzler (30-35 mpg I estimate). However your friend's calculations regarding the number of people that will receive this e-mail if everyone sends it to ten people is erroneous. Although it would reach large numbers of people there would be large overlaps where people share mutual friends or relatives and would get multiple copies.
Also some of the supermarket chains in the UK sell petrol and I've no idea who supplies them.

Mplaw51  (Level: 184.8 - Posts: 1581)
Wed, 21st May '08 6:01 AM

Actually I left the rest of the e-mail off where he continues to go on about people and numbers,etc. It was so long already that I didn't copy that to this post. The math part wasn't the thrust of the what I put up here though what you wrote makes sense.

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