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Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Fri, 23rd May '08 9:44 AM


I thought it'd be a good idea to start a thread on money-saving tips. I've seen some really good ones (the gasoline one was very good - fill up early or late in the morning, keep tires inflated, turn off car instead of idling a long time...)

Switching to lightbulbs that last for years...
Staycation, rather than vacation (find creative things to do at or near home)

Any other ideas you're doing, or have seen, heard or read about?

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3640)
Fri, 23rd May '08 9:47 AM

Trying not to eat out as much, even though sometimes we don't get home until late. I've been trying to make more crockpot dinners so that we aren't tempted to stop at a restaurant on the way home.

Phitzy1  (Level: 66.4 - Posts: 873)
Fri, 23rd May '08 9:55 AM

Riding my bike rather than driving everywhere.

Kravfighter  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 566)
Fri, 23rd May '08 10:04 AM

Don't use whole dryer sheets. Tear them into halves or thirds depending on the size of your load of clothes.

Keithr81052  (Level: 151.6 - Posts: 147)
Fri, 23rd May '08 10:15 AM

I tried those supposedly long lasting money saving light bulbs, they didn't last any longer than a regular bulb, didn't put out as much light, and almost started a fire when it shorted out, I won't be using them again until I'm forced to, but I do try to limit my trips to the store and try to get everything I need in one trip so I don't have to go but maybe once a week

Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Fri, 23rd May '08 10:36 AM

Rob a bank and make sure you get away with it

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5426)
Fri, 23rd May '08 10:49 AM

Plan one or two weeks meal menus, then spend part of one afternoon cooking everything and putting it in the freezer. There are lots of positives: It's faster than drive-thrus and a lot better for you. You make better use of your food dollars because you cut down on food waste. You can plan your meals around grocery store specials.By having a menu on paper or the computer, you can rotate dishes so you aren't eating the same thing every Tuesday or fixing sandwiches every night because it's quick.

Grow some of your own vegetables, even if it's nothing more than a few 5-gallon plastic buckets with a tomato plant or zucchini in it.

Find others who are wanting to save money that you can barter with. Perhaps you can organize someone' s cupboards and they can do some mending for you. One woman was a receptionist weekends at a health club in exchange for her membership; another woman exchanged some writing services for a haircut. Another did ironing for a preschool teacher in exchange for her child's preschool charges. The possibilities are endless.

Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Fri, 23rd May '08 10:53 AM

If you're like me, you've proably got stuff in your car trunk you've long forgotten about.

Might want to see if there's anything heavy back there. Less weight = better mileage.

And all those seemingly silly things folks say to do to improve gas mileage really do work. Start with a tuneup and make sure your tires have the proper inflation. There's 10-15 percent more mileage (or 40-60 cents off per $4-a-gallon gas).

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 23rd May '08 11:47 AM

Started taking my deposit bottles back to the beer store.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 23rd May '08 11:55 AM

Now listen up! One more time. DON'T grocery shop when you are HUNGRY!

Ricksdusa  (Level: 22.6 - Posts: 69)
Fri, 23rd May '08 12:05 PM

One thing I've noticed that people do to save money around here....Instead of buying tissue to blow their noses - they do the ' Cowboy snort '. Basically, what you do is block one nostril with a finger or thumb, then WHOOSH the air down the other one, expelling contents onto sidewalk, or wherever. Any remaining detritus is wiped onto the plaid shirt front from the hand. There you go.... $$$$ saved.
( I hope none of you were eating )

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2498)
Fri, 23rd May '08 12:09 PM

Turn your grocery bill in on your medical insurance as preventive medicine. If I don't eat I get sick.

Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 636)
Fri, 23rd May '08 12:10 PM

Give up being Platinum until the TQOTD is sorted.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3640)
Fri, 23rd May '08 12:16 PM

I also told the boss I was applying for higher paying jobs and got a raise. That helps.

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 23rd May '08 12:19 PM

I heard you could use liquid dishwashing soap instead of shampoo. Tried it for fun, it worked okay.

Phitzy1  (Level: 66.4 - Posts: 873)
Fri, 23rd May '08 12:45 PM

don't think so...some things one just does not sacrifice, shampoo, tissue and deodorant are some of those things...

on the other hand you could stop drinking and start a garden

Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 689)
Fri, 23rd May '08 1:04 PM

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I'll go over some of the combos here. I have stocked up on huge boxes/bags/containers of: Apple cider vinegar, distilled white vinegar, baking soda and borax. Read the label on the borax, you can use it everywhere, kitchen, bathroom, laundry...dessert topping. The stuff is indispensable.

Regular spray cleaner: Half white vinegar/half water. Can be used everywhere, but not on marble. some people add about 1/4 cup of isopropyl alcohol for windows, but I've found just the vinegar works great.

Bathroom: Make mixtures of baking soda and water to scrub stains in the tub and sink, rinse well. Every month or so, pour about 1/2 cup baking soda down your shower drain and add a few cups of VERY hot water. After about 15 minutes, pour white vinegar down; enjoy the explosion! This will help reduce buildup and clogs from hair and soap. Add full strength white vinegar to scrub the toilet with.

Dishwashing detergent: I got a 2 quart container, filled it half with borax, half with baking soda and added about 5 packets of unsweetened Kool-aid lemonade (get the cheapo store brand, you only need it for the citric acid) Use one tablespoon per wash. Fill the little rinse agent thing with white vinegar. From what I understand, this may cause some buildup on your glass after awhile, depending on what kind of water you have, so if you notice that, the recommendation is to add a few sprinkles of regular powdered detergent for a few washes. You can also just use this combo to cut an entire box of the powdered detergent and you'll still save a lot of money.

Shaving: My husband uses baking soda on his face in the shower to shave and says that it works great; keeps the skin taut and allows the razor to slip a lot easier. I haven't gone as far as to try it on my legs yet.

Shampoo: This one is not for the faint of heart. BUT, I have been using this now for 2 months and I can honestly say that I'm probably not ever going to use shampoo again. Take 1 tbsp baking soda and mix it with water. You do not want any 'grit' feeling after it is mixed, so make sure it is diluted well. I use one of the small dishes that we use to put dipping sauces in, but if your hair is longer or thicker, use a small rubbermaid container and add more water. Wet your hair very well, then pour the mixture around the crown of your head. Use your fingers and scrub it into the roots and scalp, then let it sit for about 30 seconds or so and rinse it through the length of your hair. I then use a spray bottle with half apple cider vinegar/half water and spray all over the ends. You can rinse this or not, but when it is dry it will NOT smell like vinegar, I promise! Some people add small amounts of olive oil or honey to the baking soda mixture. Surprisingly, this mixes and rinses out very easily. In terms of cost comparison here? 12 lbs of baking soda costs me 5.99 and will last me...a LONG LONG TIME. The average bottle of shampoo can cost anywhere from 6-20 dollars and lasts about a month. MUCH less, if my daughter with waist-length hair is also using it!

For more info on going 'no shampoo', this page is considered one of the best sources of info:

I buy gallon containers of Dr. Bronner's castille peppermint soap and cut it half and half with water. I use this for nearly ALL soap requirements in the house, including face/body wash, dish soap, hand soap. I saved some of the many MANY containers I had leftover from bath and body ($10+ for 8 oz!!), pumping containers for hand soap and shampoo and just fill them with half castille/half water. Warning to men: Peppermint castille soap is...'invigorating' to those sensitive areas.

I could not believe how well this stuff worked on my face. I was buying expensive face washes and foaming facial cloths and still having trouble with breakouts. Haven't had a single one since using this and it smells SOO good. It costs anywhere from 30-40 dollars a gallon, and you can usually get it online someplace that has free shipping. They also have other 'flavors' like almond, rose, tea tree, eucalyptus and lemon. I say 'flavors' (in quotes) but apparently, a lot of people use the peppermint soap for mouthwash and toothpaste. I've gotten some in my mouth by accident and didn't gag, but I don't think I'm going to try it on purpose LOL

Some people use borax, washing soda and bar soaps to make laundry detergent, but I honestly don't think it is very cost effective in the long run, especially when you count the labor that goes into making it. Just use a LOT less laundry detergent. Unless you are out mucking around everyday, 1/4 cup should be enough for a full load.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3640)
Fri, 23rd May '08 1:08 PM

Um. No way in hell am I doing all that.

Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 689)
Fri, 23rd May '08 1:15 PM

It seems like a lot, but it really isn't. I used to be one of those "cleaner" junkies...always buy whatever new cleaner comes around and my shelves are stocked to overflowing! I also went to Bath&Body every other month and stocked up on body wash to the tune of HUNDREDS of dollars. Every surface around my tub was clogged with bottles; body wash, shampoos, conditioners, face wash, shave gel, etc. Now, the clutter is clearing up and after a few months, the cost savings are starting to become more apparent. It's just in time, because we just started our dogs on a raw meat diet and I'm starting to long for the days when I spent only 42 bucks on a bag of kibble and 3 minutes scooping it out each day...

Kimoira  (Level: 215.4 - Posts: 1203)
Fri, 23rd May '08 1:27 PM

It stinks that money saved by foregoing a couple of enjoyable meals out a month, even at reasonably priced family-type places like TGIFs or Applebee's now goes directly into the gas tank. I drive a Focus too, it's nuts.

Rnmorg about the baking soda for shampoo : it sounds easy enough although I can't imagine shampoo with no lather. I'd be willing to try it though because you say you'd never use shampoo again- I take that to mean you have found it just as or more effective . Also I'm curious how this works on highlighted/colored hair (not that I'd really care .I understand why people might add olive oil to the mix for that purpose.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4583)
Fri, 23rd May '08 2:00 PM

Personally, I'm praying for rain and lower gas prices. Almost hourly. And rain is the priority.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3640)
Fri, 23rd May '08 2:23 PM

I would be worried about the baking soda stripping my hair color because baking soda is used to remove product buildup.

Besides, try combing through long tangly Janis Joplin hair without using intensive moisturizers. Its impossible without causing bald spots.

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5426)
Fri, 23rd May '08 2:24 PM

Well your prayers for rain have been answered in Nebraska! I think we've had 2.5 inches of rain in the past few days. Wonderful moisture and I'll not complain after 7 or 8 years of drought, but it does raise a problem of getting the dogs outside to ... you know.! They go to the door, stick their heads out and run back inside. Thank goodness none of the tornadoes, just nice steady downpour. So thanks for your prayers for rain. Hope it carries over to your neck of the woods.

Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 689)
Fri, 23rd May '08 3:22 PM

Kim: I have read up on this extensively and found that some people think that the baking soda has a lightening effect. I haven't found that myself; my color was a few weeks old when I first started and it lasted about as long as it usually does. One thing I HAVE found is that I don't need to wash my hair as often. Having very fine hair, this is a godsend. I was getting to the point where, clarifying shampoos be damned, I was having to wash my hair twice a day if I wanted to appear outside of the house more than once. It was also getting noticeably thinner and very limp. Since using the baking soda, there is such an enormous improvement that I have to wonder what on earth the shampoos were doing to my hair?? My hair is filling in, it never looks greasy, (although it gets a bit dull when it really needs to be washed) and there is a lot more body and more curl than I ever noticed before. I read some posts on a forum about the 'no shampoo' method and most of these women had long, and I mean LONG, hair. Most of them rarely wash their hair more than once every few days, some only once a week.

BTW, the Honey and olive oil are supposed to help very dry or damaged hair. Remember that honey shampoo from the 70s? I'm trying to remember what it was called, but the scent was gorgeous. They started putting it out again, but it now has that 'apple-y' scent that most shampoos have.

Kimoira  (Level: 215.4 - Posts: 1203)
Fri, 23rd May '08 4:08 PM

Faberge Wheat Germ Oil and Honey?

In the 70s I loved Wella Balsam, not cuz Farrah recommended it but it really gave my hair a lift. Maybe Farrah had a little something to do with it.

I love the idea of not having tons of containers laying around the shower. B&B Works slices a definite cut into my salary.

B&B hand soaps, especially foaming hand soaps, I really love but right now they are 3 for 10.00 which is way too much.

A year ago they were 5 /10.00 ( on sale ) and worth it cuz of the wonderful scents.

The Dial and Softsoap brands are like a 1.50 at Target, so no more B&B !

Sargon  (Level: 112.9 - Posts: 1256)
Fri, 23rd May '08 4:23 PM

Instead of traveling 80 mph on the Interstate cut your speed to 70. If your gas mileage goes up 10% it's like getting 40 cents a gallon at the pump.

Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 689)
Fri, 23rd May '08 4:23 PM

Kim: That was it! I saw not too long ago that they sell some of the "vintage" shampoos here and the GREEN prell and the original clairol herbal essence pre-organic experience.

Kimoira  (Level: 215.4 - Posts: 1203)
Fri, 23rd May '08 4:33 PM

eeewwwhhh- Green Prell not recommended but the original Herbal Essence Shampoo, the long haired flower crowned girl on the bottle and the scent is unmistakable. Heavenly!

Fudypatootie  (Level: 207.7 - Posts: 1301)
Fri, 23rd May '08 4:41 PM

Thanks for all those tips, Robin. I will be trying the baking soda trick.

What we're doing is planning the week's meals on Sunday and making a shopping list for those items. We get ONLY those items at the store and we're going to start keeping the savers from the papers as lots of our stores honor the prices others advertise.

Also, I was able to "save" us over $50 a month on medications by calling all the pharmacies in town to comparison shop! Wal-Mart and Walgreens lure you in with the promise of $4 meds, then hike the prices of others. We were charged $63 for one scrip the other day and another pharmacy has the exact same thing for $27!

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3640)
Fri, 23rd May '08 5:33 PM

I combined my tv cable, internet, and phone service all into one package from one company and am saving about $60 a month.

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2498)
Fri, 23rd May '08 6:04 PM

Shorter posts! Save a server.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4583)
Fri, 23rd May '08 6:20 PM

I turn my hot water heater down every morning after showers, and leave it down until early the next morning for about an hour before a shower. That literally saves about $30 a month.

Ceiling fans in every room.

**I'm worried about the new green light bulbs - they're not easy to get rid of safely. There is a procedure and I don't know that everyone knows that procedure. I'm not sure I really do...

"...breakages should be handled with rubber gloves, especially in the unlikely event that several bulbs break at the same time. A greater danger comes from the possibility of millions of these things being thrown into landfills, where the toxic mercury could leech into the water table with all kinds of nasty consequences." From:

Do you think this information is accurate or overly precautious?

1mks  (Level: 221.4 - Posts: 5931)
Fri, 23rd May '08 6:31 PM

AT&T is finally doing something positive in my area. I have been paying $49 just to hook my computer up to DSL using their dumb modem because of a "fiber optics to the curb" issue here. Starting next week, I am getting a faster speed and my bill is going to be $17 a month.
The dumb green Prell junk always gave me a flaky scalp. I now use a bar shampoo from "Lush" and it last 3 months and I adore it. Lots of lather and leaves your hair soft and squeaky clean.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Fri, 23rd May '08 7:05 PM

Lodi, $60 for all three , WOW. It would be $120 here with HBO and the other two. All you shampooers, do what I used to do and it works. Save a half can of beer and you'll have the softest hair on the block, try it. How many of you remember watching westerns and they ate "GRUB". I have asked hundreds of people if they know what grub really is, Nobody knows. Maybe grub is cheap and good for you, anyone know where to buy some grub ?? You could eat Jerky meats. There isn't that much to eat, but it lasts longer. A friend of mine broke his jaw and had to drink soup for six weeks. He ate cheap and lost 25 pounds.

Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 689)
Fri, 23rd May '08 7:13 PM What is this thing you say?

Kravfighter  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 566)
Fri, 23rd May '08 7:33 PM

Ok - I tried the baking soda "shampoo" today. I didn't try the apple cider vinegar rinse since I didn't have any on hand. I must say it felt weird with no lather on my head, but I scrubbed as best as I could anyway. My hair felt pretty clean after I rinsed. It styled pretty much as usual and doesn't feel any different than normal. I guess that's a good start. I'll continue and see how it feels in a few days. Thanks, Robin.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Fri, 23rd May '08 7:54 PM

"SHAMPOO YOUR HAIR WITH BEER" !! It really does work. It doen't even smell of beer after to you rinse well. Your have curls that will be soft and shiny. My grandmother used to make her own beer back in the 30's and 40's. My grandfather never went out. He did get murdered by a guy with a tire iron when I was about two years old. Mom said I was his favorite.

Debbie1957  (Level: 45.7 - Posts: 402)
Fri, 23rd May '08 8:00 PM

When grocery shopping do not go when you are HUNGRY. Make a list and look for specials before you leave the house. Buy in bulk when you can especially if you have the room and the products you want are on sale. If you run into a special do take advantage of the sale. We use a lot of pasta so when it was 49 cents a box (prince 16oz) we bought 50 boxes. I used a lot of tupperware, rubbermaid and plastic containers to store the pasta. I make homemade sauce and keep in the freezer until ready to use. Bought a coffee grinder so now all we buy are the beans stays fresher too. We have gone thru hundreds of boxes of cereal and I always use coupons. Every time we go shopping Bill always says we are at war so stock up.

Mplaw51  (Level: 185.5 - Posts: 1580)
Fri, 23rd May '08 8:04 PM

I'm not so sure about the baking soda head thing... I'll try it though, I spend alot of money on shampoo.

Before I go shopping, I write a list using the website from whatever supermarket I'm going to. It allows you to view their circular and see what is on sale. A shopping list is usually a feature and you can jot down what you need or double click an item and it will print on your list. It's great. A store in my area then sorts it by aisle and it's so easy to shop. Every store should do that. I find if I stick to my list I won't do any impulse shopping and this saves money.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Fri, 23rd May '08 8:28 PM

What about the cute little old ladies passing out snacks in every aisle ?? More than once, the smell of a steaming hot pizza has caused me to buy a money saving four-pack at Sam's Club.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Fri, 23rd May '08 8:58 PM

How were you looking for "Catwoman". A little play on words.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Fri, 23rd May '08 8:58 PM

"WHO !!"

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 23rd May '08 9:41 PM

Actually, yes.

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2763)
Fri, 23rd May '08 9:41 PM

Everytime I try to join in with the group, someone says something hurtful.

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 23rd May '08 9:49 PM

Avoid rural college towns and just live near the border. You're right, the women in the city are overpriced.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3640)
Fri, 23rd May '08 11:52 PM

I will hang my laundry out to dry when it warms up.

And Smaug, I will wing you with my pellet gun if I catch you in my back yard.

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Sat, 24th May '08 12:00 AM

My friend saves money by hanging up her laundry
until it's almost dry - indoors....Lodi - and
then she puts it in the dryer to finish it off.
Fifteen minutes instead of an hour running time

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2763)
Sat, 24th May '08 1:34 AM

Easy, I'll take one for the team.

Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2402)
Sat, 24th May '08 3:14 AM

One of the hints from this site, and their newsletter:~

"I am saving myself a fortune on impulse buys, thanks to a little reverse
psychology! We all get inundated with catalogues and flyers advertising
'percentage off' sales and I was always tempted to buy things simply because
they were on special so I could get the savings. However, now I think a
little differently - I reverse the percentage saving! For example, if
something I see is 25% off, I turn it backwards in my mind and tell myself
that by NOT buying the item I will actually SAVE 75%. This little trick
really helps - as well as throwing catalogues straight in the recycling bin
of course!"

Check out the site!


Gypsylady  (Level: 149.5 - Posts: 6108)
Sat, 24th May '08 3:23 AM

Found this on my home page this morning, and thought I'd pass it on. I had heard some of it before, and some of it I hadn't:

The Gas Pump vs You
Published: 5/23/08, 8:49 AM EDT

According to a recent survey released by AAA, the number of Americans traveling over 50 miles from home over Memorial Day weekend should fall by about 1% from last year.

Since gas prices have already topped $4.00 per gallon for regular unleaded gas in some areas, many are rethinking travel plans for the holiday. Last year over Memorial Day Weekend, the price of gas was $3.11, so in one year there has been more than a 25% increase in the price of gas.
The big question on many consumers' minds is how to alleviate these high costs at the pump and save a few bucks. Here are a few things you can do to keep a little more money in your pocket.

The Car You Drive:

* » Keep your car tuned up. Cars in poor running condition use more gasoline.
* » Check your tire pressure. Over-inflated tires can actually reduce your fuel efficiency, just as under-inflated tires do, so don't overfill.
* » Drive the speed limit. Each 10 miles per hour faster that you drive will reduce your fuel economy by 15% to 20%, according to tests by Consumer Reports and
* » You no longer need to warm your car up for long periods of time, especially new cars. New cars are made to run when cold.
* » Take unneccessary items out of the car. The less weight you have in your car the better gas mileage you'll get.
* » Keep your windows closed when traveling at high speeds. Open windows cause additional drag and lower your gas mileage. At high speeds, an open window can cause your car to use more gas than many air conditioners (especially if they are on a low setting).
* » When you run your air conditioner, it lowers your gas mileage. Use your air conditioner sparingly. If you have a lower setting, use it.
* » Use your cruise control if available. Cruise controls prevent unnecessary speed changes which waste gas. In tests by, using a cruise control at 77 mph improved fuel economy by 10 to 15 percent.
* » If you have more than one car to choose from, don't just try to squeeze everyone into the one or two that go the furthest on a gallon. First of all, if you think you're saving gas by splitting the crew into two small cars rather than taking the big SUV, you're not. Remember, two small cars will burn gas twice as fast as one, and that's probably faster than your SUV.


* » If at all possible, try to arrange car pools with co-workers to share the cost of commuting to work.
* » Walk, bike or run to your intended location whenever possible.
* » If possible, change your work start time to avoid gridlock. Stop and go traffic hurts your gas mileage.
* » Plan trips well to avoid unnecessary driving.
* »Leave for your destination a little early so you don't feel pressured to drive faster.
* » Avoid drive thru windows. They lead to excessive idling.
* » Use public transportation when you can in your schedule.
* » The most important step toward saving money on gas is to purchase vehicles that get high gas mileage. The difference between a 20 miles-per-gallon and 40 miles-per-gallon vehicle is huge.

Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Sat, 24th May '08 10:23 AM

I must say.. I'm quite shocked and horrified by the suggestions posted here.. sacrifice beer for your hair???... Phitzy.. stop drinking and plant a garden??? OMG .... cancelling my membership and disassociating myself from such thinkers forever.. ack!

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3640)
Sat, 24th May '08 10:30 AM

Personally, I think its more fun to drink WHILE planting my garden. Its always a surprise every year.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sat, 24th May '08 10:41 AM

I woke up in the garden once.

Gypsylady  (Level: 149.5 - Posts: 6108)
Sat, 24th May '08 11:02 AM

Do you remember how you got there, Don?


Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sat, 24th May '08 11:15 AM

I think it had something to do with a full moon,,,,a pissed off wife,,,,or maybe my love for veggies.

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