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oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Sun, 25th May '08 10:04 AM

IS IT IN OR ON?

Which is the proper way to say, someone starred in/on a certain show or movie. Barry got nailed on my WP & I used on throughout, because I feel it sounds better. I've had my share of Sorry that answer is incorrect", lose 3 moves, too. Maybe we could establish a standard of either in or on, save on problems of rising blood pressure Then we can work on that has/had problem

nelly
Nelly  (Level: 172.0 - Posts: 1167)
Sun, 25th May '08 10:11 AM

Don't know about the 'proper way', Randy but Neil and I would both say someone starred IN a TV show/movie. However, I would say Joe Bloggs was ON Mastermind or The Weakest Link yesterday!
Karen

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 25th May '08 10:55 AM

'In' a movie, 'On' a television show.

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Mon, 26th May '08 10:52 AM

What is your reasoning, Felix? Is that just your preference or is it documented somewhere in some grammar text?

"Did you see so-and-so on the Letterman Show, after his appearance in Law and Order?"

"My friend was on Law and Order but I've never been in an episode"

Are these statements grammatically correct/incorrect or do they just 'sound right/wrong' to some people?

I think the grumping about this after WPs is just from the fact that the player used the other word from the one used by the author!

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Mon, 26th May '08 11:10 AM

I think I agree with Suzer. I looked up the proper grammar usage and it just muddied the waters for me so I won't repeat them! Maybe, for the sake of argument, "in" suggests a present tense and "on" may reflect something from the past. Just a thought, I use both interchangeably!

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Mon, 26th May '08 12:01 PM

IMO it has to do with singular or plural

A TV series is many episodes, so you'd say on. "On the Oprah Show"

A Movie or referencing one particular episode is singular so for me it's in. "In yesterday's episode of Law and Order".

I ain't no English expert, that's how we say it in these here parts.

Me.

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Mon, 26th May '08 12:35 PM

I used "in" a movie and "on" a tv show in my word puzzle. I, too, got Barry....sorry Barry.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 26th May '08 12:41 PM


You definitely wouldn't "on" for a movie.

"Linda Lovelace was "on" Deep Throat"?

No, "Linda Lovelace was "in" Deep Throat.

Actually, the last one works better with Harry Reems.

Anyway, I've made my point. I think Felix is right, although I can't point to a citation or explain the logic and the thought repels me.

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.6 - Posts: 7570)
Mon, 26th May '08 12:45 PM

Since I tend to plug in letters using vowels first, that situation doesn't phase me much.

The I or O will show up where it's correct in that case.

Of course, if trying for "fivers" , then it's a bigger issue.



eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 26th May '08 1:13 PM

Felix's way "sounds" right. I would never say on for a movie. But I guess I would intermix on and in with television shows.

Barry complains a lot ON word puzzles IN these boards.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 26th May '08 1:53 PM

I Smaug agrees with me then why is it still being debated. God Bless Our Troops! Special thanks to my Airman and my Marine!

ladyvol
Ladyvol  (Level: 205.4 - Posts: 5490)
Mon, 26th May '08 2:02 PM

I also agree with Felix on this one...Asked my cousin also and she teaches English and she also agrees...
Vickie

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Mon, 26th May '08 2:02 PM

I agree with Chickie's English lesson. Where we come from they still say "you's guys"

ladyvol
Ladyvol  (Level: 205.4 - Posts: 5490)
Mon, 26th May '08 2:05 PM

Yous guys? My brother-in-law says that sometimes and he grew up in Massachusetts...We say ya'all or you all here in Tennessee...have for years!
Vickie

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 26th May '08 2:10 PM

I think this link might the answers if you delve in. The diff seems to be whether you are describing time, place or movement. Like, you are "in" a movie because it is a specific thing, but "on" a TV series because it is a rolling time period.

Ex: "in" January. vs. "on" Monday.

But it is too nice a day for me to do it, I'm going fishing.


http://esl.about.com/library/courses/blcourses_beginner_unit6.htm

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4196)
Mon, 26th May '08 2:30 PM

This is interesting. I just posted my own take on this in Hot Wire in the Platinum Member's Guide to WP Authoring thread, if anyone's interested. My posts are long (sorry), but I addressed this particular issue in item #1.

-- Geri

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4196)
Mon, 26th May '08 2:35 PM

Actually, I only talked about on vs. in in terms of TV shows. I would never say someone was "on" a movie.

-- Geri

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th May '08 2:35 PM

I'm using in and on interchangably for TV shows and I don't care. So there. Burn a freaking vowel already.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Mon, 26th May '08 3:57 PM

What if a movie is on TV ??

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Mon, 26th May '08 4:00 PM

yeah, or a mini series

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.6 - Posts: 7570)
Mon, 26th May '08 4:32 PM

Let's say bob Vila comes to your house; rips out the chassis of your TV set.
Then he steps inside the cabinet.
Looks out at you and smiles.
======================

He now would be "IN" a TV.

If he climbed on top of the cabinet- he would be "ON" a TV.
That should clear some things up.
=================

But it won't happen, so don't worry about it.
Alfred E. Neuman speaks




tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4196)
Mon, 26th May '08 4:36 PM

For me, either "in" or "on" works for TV shows, unless you're using the verb "to star," in which case it doesn't sound right to my ears to say something like, "Ray Romano starred on Everybody Loves Raymond."

In terms of movies and mini-series, only "in" works for me. A mini-series is limited in its episodes. "Richard Chamberlain was on Shogun." "LeVar Burton was on Roots." No, "on" doesn't work for me with mini-series.

I think Smaug hit the nail on the head with the explanation he points to.

-- Geri

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Mon, 26th May '08 5:38 PM

Geri, why don't we just flip a coin when in doubt.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 26th May '08 6:27 PM

You mean on doubt.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 26th May '08 6:39 PM

Maybe its like:

"on TV"

vs.

"in theatres near you"

Like, to see a movie you (used to) have to go "into'[ a theatre.

Ok, I'm officially burned out on this topic.


kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Mon, 26th May '08 6:41 PM

Bill Cosby starred on TV in the TV Show "Kids Say The Darndest Things" and "The Cosby Show".
Bill Cosby starred in the film "Mother, Jugs & Speed" which was in movie theatres in 1976.
Bill Cosby starred on the Big Screen in the film "Mother, Jugs & Speed"

just my input.


suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Mon, 26th May '08 6:52 PM

Smaug, if this topic tires you, you don't have to read it anymore.

It doesn't have anything to do with where you are when you see the show.

An actor is in a movie, in a TV show or in a play
A person can be on TV or can be be on a TV series (although I'd say in a series)
However, an actor who is in a movie, appears on the big screen

I just don't see how you can have a hard and fast rule about this. It depends on the sentence.

Ronnie Howard was on the Andy Griffith show, or in it. I think both are viable statements.

jeannette
Jeannette  (Level: 111.1 - Posts: 1736)
Mon, 26th May '08 6:52 PM

IN IS MY ANSWER

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 26th May '08 11:25 PM

Andy was in a movie on TV.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Tue, 27th May '08 12:08 AM

Barry....
How come you are wrangling about "In" or "On"????

Every time we do a WP we have to remember....
whether a word ends with "er" or "re" e.g.theatre
whether a word ends with "or" or "our" e.g.honour
whether a word ends with "ck" or "que" e.g.cheque
Maybe it's just a matter of taste or the vernacular.

The English Language is in a state of enormous change
right now....new technology is being absorbed into
common usage, and other words are disappearing.

And then, there's new words such as "nuculer"
and "irregardless"!!!!

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 27th May '08 12:51 AM

Andy Griffith was on Ronnie Howard, from what I hear.

I'm just saying. That's what I heard.

It was rural North Carolina, for god's sake....


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