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kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 2:18 AM

WP AUTHORING QUESTION

I thought about asking my editor but thought it would be better to ask the masses

I you are spelling out a number - for instance 604 - and it's normally said as "Six Oh Four" would you write it out as
Six Zero Four (for the fact that it's a number) or as "said" - "Six Oh Four"

Thanks for input!

osuzannacollage
Osuzannacollage  (Level: 132.1 - Posts: 1299)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 3:28 AM


I would think Six Hundred Four would be correct.

Susan

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4185)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 3:46 AM

Hi Lorri,
Hmm, interesting question. I think it would depend on the context. If "Six Oh Four" is sung in a song, for example, then I would leave it as is, since that would be part of the lyrics. If you're definitely referring to the number six hundred and four, then I agree with Susan, only I'd write it out as six hundred and four.

I looked through some past word puzzles to see if I could find something similar. In Koota's Sploofus Island WP, I had this phrase:

since the year two thousand and five ive been unable to get a fluke

Now, she's referring to a year there, so it might not be the best example.

Another suggestion: Once you get a definitive answer on this, Lorri, I think it would be helpful to other authors for you to cross-post in the WP authoring guide thread in Hotwire.

-- Geri


osuzannacollage
Osuzannacollage  (Level: 132.1 - Posts: 1299)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 4:04 AM


Excellent points and suggestions, Geri.

I would say Six Hundred Four without the "and" because that's how I was taught. For instance, the correct way to write an amount on a check would be "Six Hundred Four" dollars. You would add the "and" after the dollar amount and before the cents, which would appear as "Six Hundred Four Dollars and 64/100" -- unless it's changed over time.

Very interesting question! I wonder if there's a definitive answer here.

Susan

bushyfox
Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 4:49 AM

I would say "Six hundred AND four".....just goes to show the antipodal difference, huh?

~Bev

achad
Achad  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 661)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 5:28 AM

Has to have the 'and': As in 'Theodore Roosevelt became the American president in nineteen hundred and one'.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 6:17 AM

If you're referring to money the and is incorrect but applies in dates. Former credit union teller

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 8:44 AM

I don't really want to give too much away since it IS for a WP but for an example
(and this is not my actual address)

If my address were 820 92nd St I would say
My address is eight twenty ninety second street

If my address were 8207 92nd St I would say
My address is eighty two oh seven ninety second street
so o? zero?

If my address were 802 92nd St I would say
My address is eight oh two ninety second street
so o? zero?

If my address were 8027 92nd St I would say
My address is eight oh two seven ninety second street
so o? zero? eight thousand twenty seven (I would not say that - I would say it as I have it written)


That is what *I* would say if I were conveying the address to someone - so is this Texan, learned behavior, correct, incorrect?

That's what I'm trying to figure out.


jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 8:52 AM

As a fellow Texan, for 8027 I would say "eighty twenty seven." (I used to live at eighty twenty one Slover)

1mks
1mks  (Level: 210.8 - Posts: 5883)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 9:18 AM

I think it is strange that people from the south do use the "oh" instead of zero.........I try to catch myself and say zero but do slip up often. I would most assuredly leave out the "oh".......people would go berserk over that.

flcyclist
Flcyclist  (Level: 124.1 - Posts: 691)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 9:38 AM

Maybe it's because I'm originally from the north or maybe it's because I was a 9-1-1 operator for two years, but I always say "zero" instead of "oh". I also used to get irritated with people who urged others to call nine eleven, because there is no eleven on the phone dial and some people are very literal. You should always say nine one one!

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 9:52 AM

As one of my shipboard duties I was a shipboard radiotelephone operator, you never say "OH". Zero, would always be a safe bet. The humble opinion of PapermanBill RD 2 P-2 (USN).






suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 9:58 AM

Personally, I'd avoid using that number in my puzzle and choose a different phrase!

I'd SAY "oh" if I were talking out loud about the address 802.

I'd write "Eight hundred two dollars", but I would simply never write "eight oh two" - that just feels so wrong. And to write "eight zero two" is ridiculous, unless it is your area code (or part of a phone number), and not an "eight hundred..." anything, although I would still SAY "oh"!

BUT, if you really want to use it in a puzzle, I think you should write it the way YOU say it! These Platipuzzles all seem to have lots of personalizations so we would all chalk it up to a regionalism and we'd get over it by the time something in the NEXT puzzle annoys us

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 10:19 AM

"Personally, I'd avoid using that number in my puzzle and choose a different phrase!"

Not possible

If I'm giving my phone or credit card number I say zero
If I'm giving my address I say "o" "oh"

It's the sound for me I guess I don't know LOL - that's why I asked.

Not sure what I will do - but I GUESS when it comes up and people figure it out - if they've read the thread they will know how I say it

Thanks for all the input

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 10:23 AM

The one exception: If I for some reason (not that I know of any) were writing a puzzle about a certain 90s TV show that took place in Beverly Hills, I probably would have to do the "Oh" thing.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 10:28 AM

Good point Ken - because it's said as "nine oh two one oh"

As I think about it - where I used to live I would say
seven five two one eight

but where I am now its
seven five one oh three

In conversation - but if giving over the phone for a delivery I say
seven five one zero three -



papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 192.9 - Posts: 1025)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 10:41 AM

Geri--

How do you review past WP's? I've always thought that would be a good and fun thing to do but never knew how to do it.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 10:41 AM

I think it depends how the number rolls off your tongue. My house address, being 1xyza (where letters have been put in place of numbers) reads very nicely as "xteen y zty a".

Probably best to try to flip the puzzle over and put the number in the clue part.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 11:30 AM

"Probably best to try to flip the puzzle over and put the number in the clue part"

Thanks for the suggestion Ken - again - not possible - I'll just keep thinking on it - it's about to get backburnered anyway - too much "real" work LOL

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4185)
Fri, 13th Jun '08 4:21 PM

Hi,
Well, I decided to consult the Merriam-Webster Unabridged Dictionary. According to it, "oh" is an acceptable substitution for "zero." Here's the example they use:

"oh [2 noun] ZERO [the number is three six oh seven (3607)]"

I'm OK with that. What about other people?

Rjenson wrote: "Geri -- How do you review past WP's? I've always thought that would be a good and fun thing to do but never knew how to do it."

Hi Ron,
Ahh, this is my little secret. Actually, as far as I know, there's no way on Sploofus to review past WPs. When I take a WP, I write down all my clues and phrases. Unfortunately, I don't have all 10 phrases for any puzzle, unless I've specifically asked an author for them. If you or anyone else would like to see some past phrases, I'd be happy to supply them.

-- Geri

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Fri, 13th Jun '08 5:28 PM

Six hundred four and Six hundred and four are both acceptable, as they are both very common usage. Same with eleven hundred twelve, eleven hundred and twelve, one thousand one hundred twelve, one thousand one hundred and twelve.

Personally, I would favor the shortest option in the majority of instances.


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