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smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:03 AM

YEAH, I SAID IT....

Apropos of nothing, and not related to any recent or current quiz, but I think the WPs have dropped in quality. I bail on most of them.

I think it is great to have members author them, but it is tough to have just two a day if the offerings are weak. Maybe there should be some sort of advice or guidelines given. Too many times I've sat there and plugged in 15 moves on some long rambling paragraph of no relevance, rhyme or reason to anyone but the author. If half the people are taking 70 or 80 moves, that is a problem, to my mind.

I don't understand why quizzes, kerplunks, etc are all-you-can-eat, but WPs are metered out.

As many have said, they are the best game and the reason many of us pony up the $80....

Discuss among yourselves.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:14 AM

We will..

bbear
Bbear  (Level: 161.0 - Posts: 2301)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:17 AM

I have to disagree. I think the quality has skyrocketed lately; extremely diverse and clever using a wide range of topics and various challenges. I like that so many are non-googleable. The ones where a bunch of folks get perfect scores because they are so easy to look up are much less fun for me.

For example, the recent ones on quotes the clues were the authors of the quotes, so it was easy to go to "quotes.com" or somesuch and count the number of letters in the puzzle and take it from there. I think it would have been much more fun to have to ponder over the clue.

I think one of the best examples is the sci fi puzzle from yesterday. It was movie moments, not famous lines and it required a base knowledge of the movie itself (easy enough to get a hint from wikipedia even if you haven't seen the flick) but then required really thinking the puzzle out.

Any thoughts, anyone?

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:17 AM

Why don't you write one, Smaug?

I much prefer these WP's to Welsh Castles.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:19 AM

You always bailed on most of them.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:30 AM

I disagree, also.

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.0 - Posts: 5883)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:53 AM

Get ready to bail on mine tonight then....I am totally guessing that most people will hate it. AND I do have to admit for my friends across the pond......they won't have a clue. The "Texans" will get it ... as will a lot of the people from the south. I have always been under the impression that we are here to learn...at least I am....AND have fun along the way. I don't claim to be well versed in every subject but I do like the word puzzles and have honestly learned a lot from some of them.....they may not always be erudite and thought provoking but I still like them. Lighten up dear Smug.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 12:56 PM

I think he's lightened. He just likes to stir the pot.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 12:58 PM

Yeah "lighten up Smaug"

I find most of the puzzles to be on subjects
I know nothing about like Toledos WP today.
When I was growing up in England....hardly
anyone I knew had a car, so we didn't travel
around much....made our own fun

So I grope my way through WPs - with patience
and sometimes homour, and often with interest.
If this is NOT your idea of FUN....do something
else, keep bailing AND/OR write your own Puzzles.
AND DON'T FIX WHAT ISN'T BROKEN....

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 1:05 PM

Oh, and Marsha, I'm counting the minutes till your WP tonight - can't wait.

(Even though my well went out while ago and I'm also counting the minutes till the well guy calls back. )

It's funny, my son growing up had no feelings one way or the other about being Texan born - until he entered the Marines and traveled and met people from all over. All of a sudden, he learned how very special it is to the rest of the world to actually be a native Texan.

He had a lot of fun with it. And he actually IS a cowboy, horses, saddles, and spurs! ha

chrissyt70
Chrissyt70  (Level: 160.4 - Posts: 69)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 1:12 PM

I TOTALLY AGREE ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF WP'S VS. QUIZZES, WR'S ETC. WP'S ARE EXACTLY THE REASON I PONIED UP MY $'S. I WOULD LOVE MORE OF THEM TO BE AVAILABLE.
I ALSO THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A HIGHER POINT VALUE FOR WINNING. 1000 VS 7500 GET REAL! AS FOR THE QUALITY, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSONAL INTERESTS AS MUCH AS ANYTHING. I CAN'T SAY I LOVE THE SPORTS RELATED PUZZLES, BUT THAT GOES TO MY PREFERENCES. I DO AGREE THAT AS OF LATE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PUZZLES THAT DO RAMBLE A BIT. HOWEVER, I ENJOY TAKING THEM ANYWAY AND HAVE NEVER BAILED. P.S. SMAUG DID AUTHOR A PUZZLE ABOUT ROCK CLASSICS THAT WAS QUITE CLEVER AND MOST ENJOYABLE.

suzannec
Suzannec  (Level: 247.2 - Posts: 616)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 1:18 PM

I think the WP's are just as good as before. Besides, how do we know the editors are not still submitting them? Only now, it's under their player name. You're a terrific writer Smaug, how about submitting another one?

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 1:20 PM

That's right - I forgot he did one. I bailed.



pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 1:20 PM

"Too many times I've sat there and plugged in 15 moves on some long rambling paragraph of no relevance, rhyme or reason to anyone but the author."

I think that's a bit of an overstatement. I'm not giddy with excitement over every topic, but I think almost all word puzzles are related to the title and clues given. I can count on one hand the number that I think fit your description over the past year of puzzles I've seen.

Lengthy puzzles won't be solved in 5 moves - and there's a contingent among us who prefer those - but there's a place for the mix of both.

Providing a buffet of all-you-can-eat WPs throughout the course of the day won't solve your complaint either, because you'll be fed a greater number of the types of WPs that are out there now.

I think the solution is for you to write more WPs of the type you like and, therefore, model behavior that you'd like others to follow.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6643)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 1:33 PM

Everyone has their own tastes of course and I'm probably more vocal than i should be about what works for me and what doesn't. but then again I do enjoy most puzzles.
a perfect word puzzle would be one that only I could google or something literary that played to my strengths . I get about one of them a year!
That said; please count my vote against the quotes -- whatever kind they are. If the puzzle setter tells you who said it, it is just too easy to google. And even if the setter can't find it on google the solvers will!
What I LOVE is the 'before and after' or wordplay puzzles. i think the plat members have done better puzzles than the editors here (maybe its easier to write just ONE great puzzle?). And smaug did write a puzzle which -- it hurts me to say -- was as witty as any we've seen. The April fool puzzle was pretty damn good too!



kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 3936)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 1:38 PM

Bbear,

Did somebody hold a gun to your head and make you go to quotes.com? Maybe we should ask Justin to add a feature that when someone enters the answer "call nine one one", they don't lose three moves, and instead an editor will be alerted and notify the authorities in your area.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 1:53 PM

LOL Ken...."call nine one one"
Is that Justin's number????

SMAUG....I have ACTUALLY found something we have in common
The dog I just adopted is the TWIN of the Golden, on your
profile!!!! Mine is an unfixed female....like me!!!!

Who is on the other photo and when was it taken????
The guy looks like a CULT Leader in those robes????
Was it Hallowe'en????


salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.5 - Posts: 5316)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 1:59 PM

Sorry Smaug, I can't agree with you on this one. I think the WP have been great fun. Some I like better than others, because some of them I get better scores than others. (OK, so I'm human, I like to get good scores). I may have bailed on one or two WP, but I stick with it, even the sports ones that leave me in the dark.

It's fun to see the personalities of the authors come through in their puzzles. When an editor does a puzzle, we have no idea who they are so it doesn't help us get to know them one bit better.

Don't know if anyone likes taking my WP (I have another one in the hopper) but I sure enjoy writing them and I learn some things along the way, too,

I really wish the older WP would be available to take, even if for a reduced score or no score at all. I'm coming up on 2 years of membership and I would have no memory of some of the first WP I took. (Shucks, you're rolling the dice if you ask me at 2 p.m. if I had breakfast that morning!)

Answer the challenge, Smaug, write a WP Just don't make it too tough, OK?

chender
Chender  (Level: 193.4 - Posts: 160)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 2:22 PM

Is there any way to "reward" WP authors with points, in a similar way to quiz writers? That would be a way for the "silent majority" to express their opinion without embarrassing anyone.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 3936)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 2:49 PM

Right now you can't, other than by taking a bunch of the author's quizzes, and both of you getting some points.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 3:16 PM

I started to say something based on the reference to the quote puzzle and the mention of yesterday's Sci-Fi puzzle but then realized it would just sound like I was being a witch - so I won't...but I am sure thinking it.

Anyway - I like the variety - and I'll take the puzzle every day - and be happy even if I don't like it.

What I do appreciate is nice words and the good input I've gotten from people in private pm's on them - and the way I feel about it - Smaug has a right to his opinion.

You got something to say about one of my puzzles - go for it - it's not going to matter one whit to me if you don't like it - really - I might sniffle a bit - but I'll get over it.

And hey Marsha - no worries - I'm looking forward to your puzzle and mine will be out here shortly too - hopefully different -



bbear
Bbear  (Level: 161.0 - Posts: 2301)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 4:23 PM

No one has put a gun to my head. We flatly refused to google for the first couple of months we were doing them but found glances are very helpful when we have no idea what the subject matter is. For example, I had never seen any of the movies from yesterday's puzzle, so reading a paragraph on the plot was very helpful. All I was saying was that puzzle was fun and enjoyable without having a line-by-line exact quote from wikipedia.

BTW - nine one one is most definitely Justin's phone number (or my editor's).


kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 4:32 PM

"Right now you can't, other than by taking a bunch of the author's quizzes, and both of you getting some points."

That's why the editors tell us to take our own puzzles - so we can at least get our 5,000 - I didn't the first couple of times - but yeah - we deserve them

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 4:48 PM

Sorry Smaug, I'm submitting my second long winded mondegreen puzzle, but I'm working on one that is short & sweet. OK, you might not feel sweet towards me when you do it, you might swear a blue streak I hope they find a way to give WP authors some extra points for their hard work. It definitely puts you at a disadvantage if you're trying to stay in the top 10 for the month. Filling in every letter in your own puzzle, as the editors originally requested puts you way down in the standings for the bonus points.

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 5:01 PM

I have noticed no appreciable diminishment in the quality of WPs. Sometimes I find them fun, and sometimes not -- but no difference when editors wrote them v. Platinum members with editing by editors.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 3936)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 5:03 PM

Bonus points? The difference in bonus points between finishing 33rd (pretty good in a competitive field) on a WP and 127th (plausible if you fill in lots of letters) is approximately 22 points. That small amount is often more than compensated for by the fact that the author knows the puzzles, and can conveniently solely guess letters that appear in the puzzles. 5000+208 > 4900+230.

==Ken

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.5 - Posts: 7570)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 7:09 PM

The puzzles have been fabulous since the inclusion of platinum members.
There is a lot of talent on this island.
As far as scoring, Ken Kaufman's logic suits me.
I'll strive for 5000 points and a top 50 finish.

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4192)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 8:09 PM

After finishing a WP, I've never said to myself, "Man, that sucked." There have been a few that weren't my cup of tea subject-wise, but that's to be expected, and I've still enjoyed the challenge of deciphering the phrases.

Since Platinum members have been writing, I've enjoyed the added variety of themes, and I like getting to know the players better via their puzzles.

I think there's room for all types of WPs -- googlable, non-googlable, punny, personal, fact-oriented, wacky, weird and everything in between.

I approach each WP the same -- solving the mystery of each phrase is going to be a fun mental workout, and most likely I'm going to learn something or be reminded of something I'd forgotten. My goal is to get better at solving them, as sometimes I'll stumble over very simple words or fail to see the logic of a sentence, and then later think to myself, "Of course!" Another goal is to get better at writing my own.

It's a cliché, but the main reward for me with the WPs is in the journey of solving. The fact that I get points along the way is icing on the cake.

-- Geri

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 8:12 PM

I generally say, "Man, I sucked" after my usual 78th place.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 9:36 PM

er.....

Okay, as someone said, I did write a WP awhile back. Go take it. Oops. You can't. How stupid is that?

Whatever, we can twitter about stylistic differences, but quantity is the problem. If I come on and see a Kaufman quiz or one by some other prolific author I like, I can spend 20 minutes taking their old ones knowing I like their style and level of difficulty. Here we are at the mercy of what the cafeteria is serving for breakfast. Maybe another Friends quiz? What color was the monkey's collar?

It makes no sense on any level. And, I'm guessing 3.0 is the only answer, when the sun is a cold dark tennis ball.

As to writing another one, I'm too into immediate gratification to wait a month or whatever for it to run.

what else? The guy in the "robe" is me.

And whoever said it is right, I do bail a lot, did before too, so maybe I'm exaggerating. It's just that I have attention deficit disorder and ...hey! look! a blue car !!!!



rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 10:06 PM

Hey Smaug....
no mention of the loyal heroic dog....
Don't you like having something in
common with an "unfixed" b***ch ????

And no mention of what year that
"cult" photo was taken????
Was the pic taken on the banks of
the Jordan river????

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 10:10 PM

COW!!!!!

(I'll donate 10 of my rapidly dwindling points to the first person who knows which ADD person said that in what movie.)

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 10:32 PM

Oh I know this one
Film was Twister - Character was Jo played by Helen Hunt - then she says "another cow" (or it might have been 'nuther cow) - then Bill (played by Bill Paxton) said something like "I think that was the same one" - the reference was to the cow flying by in the storm

It was really funny

lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.4 - Posts: 1684)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 10:53 PM

Okay, how many of us ADDs or ADHDs are there on the island anyway? Oops, I forgot some people still think it's supposed to be hidden, now what was I looking for, and why am I keying this in. Stop stirring the pot! I need to concentrate or better yet memorize. Yeah, that's the ticket, memorize, as in rote, rote, rote.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:12 PM

Just re-read your last post Smaug, suggesting
that the Word Puzzles also be archived....
Just think how much storage space that would
take, as well as keeping the Trivia Quizzes....
Does it make sense on that level????

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:17 PM

-- Jank, wasn't that Homer?

-- Rowlanda, I assume you are kidding about computer storage. If you are, good one.



jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:20 PM

((buzzer) Nope

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:23 PM

Good try, Kaelin. But she was merely stating fact - it wasn't an ADD moment. But Twister is in my top 3 fave movies!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:27 PM

I apologize. In my very own ADD moment, I misquoted the character - I went back and doublechecked. My bad.

Correction: "COWS!!!"

And further hint:

"You're right. You're right, I'm no good. How could I do that? I'm a sick pers... COWS!"


lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:36 PM

Danny DeVito... where's my 10 points??? lol

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:40 PM

Yes. And in what movie?

Your points are in the mail, Lisa.

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4192)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:42 PM

Justin himself has talked about implementing an archival system -- in 2006 in this thread http://www.sploofus.com/bbs_detail.sp?post=23799&cID=1

So, it would seem that feasibility isn't a problem. It may be more a matter of finding the time to implement it, considering he has such a long to-do list. I wonder if Justin ever takes a vacation?

-- Geri

lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.4 - Posts: 1684)
Tue, 17th Jun '08 11:49 PM

Throw Mama From the Train

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 12:15 AM

Very good Cindy! Alright...I'll put an extra 10 points in the mail for you too...

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 12:17 AM

This thread took a disappointing turn...

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 12:44 AM

Sorry to continue the disappointment Smaug...however

Jank - okay - I got it right based on COW - so I protest - I want my 10 points



jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 7:23 AM

Geepers, Lorri - 10 points here, 10 points there, pretty soon they add up - no - wait - actually in my case, they don't!

So okie dokie. I just stalemated a showdown - I have points to burn. Though ADD was the operative word(s), I'm sure even the editors would agree with you. So 10 in the mail to ya, and I'll donate 10 to your favorite charity.

And Smaug, I'm crushed that I've disappointed you! I'll even donate 10 points to your fave charity, too, to make up for it.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 10:35 AM


I think NAMBLA lost 501c3 status.

snakes
Snakes  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 101)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 11:55 AM

Let's get this thread back on track: Smaug is unhappy with the word puzzles. Smaug is disappointed.

The good news is no one seems to care much anymore.



snakes
Snakes  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 101)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 11:56 AM

Yeah, I said it.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 12:21 PM

SMAUG....
Now it's my turn to PRAY you are joking
(SAD that you would even consider Nambla
was a joke!!!!)
SNAKE....
LOL....Good one!!!!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 12:28 PM

I HATE wordpuzzles and don't play, that being said, I think archiving them is a good idea.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 1:18 PM

Wordpuzzles are why I'm here - at least 80% of it - a 2 time a day break that is always much needed.

That being said - it's been interesting seeing the comments people make on various opinions of WP's - particulary interesting to me and frankly I felt a bit condescending (and I don't remember who - just that it's been said several times) - is a negative spin to "wheel of fortune" mentality.

Just because the contestants make that look easy- trust me - it is not - I've come "this close" twice to being a contestant and have been to the show live twice (way back in 1994 when they were filming at the Texas State Fair).

What you don't see on TV is that it's not the same when you are standing up on that stage trying to win - of course here you are competing silently without announcers saying "no talking from the audience".

That being said, I do my very best not to google unless absolutely necessary - and I don't google to just copy and paste a sentance so I can "whoo hoo" have a 5'r - I haven't had many of them - but most of them have been from my own thought processes - not copying and pasting from some site.

I don't have a problem with googling, because you are looking something up - and will tend to remember it. I'm not a perfect speller, but I do well most of the time and I can tell you that comes from me growing up and asking how to spell something - and being told to go look it up - I did and I would remember...because I had to work for it - not have someone hand it to me (uh oh - political statement?)

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 9:43 PM

Kaelin,

I would just like a theory on why the WPs are metered out. Is it a strategy to bring people here twice a day? I just would like to know. We have a million quizzes here archived and accessible, not sure why the WPs go away.



pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 9:49 PM

Same reason there's only 16 pro football games in a season vs. 82 for bbl and 160 for baseball.
Football is more anticipated as an event cause it happens once a week.

WP are anticipated as a game and an event. Everything else is an all you can eat ('cept the WTHAI) You see more threads on WP than on questions of the day or on specific trivia quizzes. Plus, you've got 12 long hours to complain about them until the next one cycles up.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 10:10 PM

Don't you think the real reason is because they're kind of complicated to think up and write - and used to be only a few editors were writing them all? I'm thinking nobody had time to write more.

Maybe now that so many are involved in writing them, your dreams will come true.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Wed, 18th Jun '08 10:24 PM

Smaug - I've seen posts about having them available for archival taking at some point - which would be cool.

Otherwise, except for TQOTD, it's the only thing that is (metered out) - and having written about 8 of them when I needed a break from real life - it's a challenge - counting the letters to make sure you don't go over the alloted amount - anticipating the bitches and gripes - which knowing what it takes to do them, and wearing editors shoes - it's hard not to take it personally - I unfortunately missed taking yours because of phone line issues - and look forward to taking it someday in the aforementioned archives.

Since this has just been opened to have outside writers, it's also in it's infancy - and since I haven't been a member since the start - I only can state what I've read and that is that WP's have evolved from it's beginnings...so who knows what may change again in the future - only Justin?

I think that if WP's were set up like the Trivia Sqaures, for example, the shine would kind of wear off - for me anyway - I do look forward to them, twice a day - I'd have to probably drop my membership and ban myself if they were any more frequent - I'd never get anything done




rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 12:51 AM

Kaelin....
Congratulations on trying out for Wheel of Fortune
that alone must have taken some courage....
I was not denigrating WOF - the game or the contestants,
just felt an urge to "stir the pot" Can't imagine what
it's like to have to think so hard in front of a TV
audience.
I've been on stage many times in my life, but NEVER
when I didn't know my lines and hadn't had a chance to
rehearse beforehand.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 1:19 AM

As Pat Sajak says: It's always your turn at home

pafork
Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 1:26 AM

What I've noticed more than any difference in puzzles written by editors or non-editors are the changes in the posts commenting on the puzzles! I haven't seen a single non-editor puzzle that has been ripped apart the way some of the editor WPs are. People have been much more gentle and sparing with their criticisms of non-editor puzzles, and generally will make sure to throw in some praise as well. It's amazing how much easier it is for some people to be harsh when they don't know who they're talking to!

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 1:46 AM


Janks, do you think the WPs are harder to write than quizzes?

I mean, I write long-winded quizzes, and they take me a lot longer I think then the WP I wrote.

I think it could go either way.

Like Felix.



(where is he? It is no fun to abuse him if he doesn't whine about it)

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 4:39 AM

No - but editors didn't have to write quizzes - they WERE solely responsible for WPs. Quizzes optional. WPs part of the job (apparently?).

It would, though, be tough to write 2 complex quizzes a day, too.

And on 2nd thought......ok, it seems to me the majority of quizzes are about TV, movies, and music. And honestly, I think those are much easier to write than a more complex WP. Even the WPs on those subjects are more complex than most quizzes. And the rules to follow are more strenuous.

So - I have debated myself into changing my opinion.

Yes - I DO think WPs are harder to write than quizzes.

maggie7556
Maggie7556  (Level: 218.0 - Posts: 268)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 6:43 AM

With word puzzles your final point total is based on how you do compared with how everyone else did. If they kept them open or archived them your final result would change every time someone new took the puzzle. I assume it would cause scoring difficulties.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 6:51 AM

You mean once upon a time WordPuzzles were fun?

Sploofus Editor
Sploofernatural (Editor)  
Thu, 19th Jun '08 8:20 AM

Some editors have written hundreds of WPs. Some have written fewer. Some hardly any at all. Editors are not required to write any number of WPs. It's just that until recently, we were the only ones to write them, and if nobody came up with enough puzzles to keep the queue from drying out, there'd be close to mutiny among you all.

You should send your thanks to those editors like Sploofishy and Sploofusaurus and Unsploofable, among others, who made sure you had a reason to log in every 12 hours.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 9:31 AM

Maggie, you make a good point, but the majority of the points are deducted from five thousand by missed moves. It is only the relatively small bonus that is time sensitive.

So the archived one could just be scored from the first method.

maggie7556
Maggie7556  (Level: 218.0 - Posts: 268)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 10:22 PM

Good point. My finishes are always so mediocre that my point total is moot.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 10:35 PM

Rowlanda you old pot stirrer you - I guess someone has to do it when Smaug gets too quiet.
I didn't remember who had said it honestly - but when I found sploofus - it was the WP's AND my WOF mentality the got me to stick around - so there I've said it too

I've enjoyed writing word puzzles - it's enough to keep scraping up the money to be platinum - but most definitely in answer to Smaugs question about being more difficult to write - they are.

You have x number of spaces for clue & phrase - and I've spent more time rewording to fit and making the clue short but effective enough to at least help - and that can very hard - with quizzes while limited in title space - you can make the information as long or as short as you want - so without the constraints it is infinitely easier to write quizzes.

And of course, we get to feel what the editors have felt - someone complains because it's too long - someone complains because it's too short - someone complains because it's too "googleable" - someone complains because it's about snooker or it's welsh - my goal is at some point to actually write one that is completely ungoogleable that everyone hates - kidding - well maybe not - just to stir the pot!

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4192)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 10:36 PM

Maggie and Smaug,
Regarding points for taking archived WPs, please see my post above with the link to a post Justin made in 2006. He proposed that no points would be awarded for taking an archived WP.

-- Geri

maggie7556
Maggie7556  (Level: 218.0 - Posts: 268)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 12:09 AM

Thank you, Geri, I missed that part. I was just trying to come up with a reason for the way things were. Peace. Maggie

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sat, 21st Jun '08 1:11 AM

Lorri....
Write a Puzzle about Opera
or Welsh towns


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