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Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 6:38 AM


Fortunately, I am retired and drive only when I need to. I have cut my driving by over 50% since this latest price fix, so my gas bill stays the same. The thing that really bugs me is how innocent politicians, oil producers and car manufacturers talk about the energy situation, like it's not our fault. Those of us who were around in the 50's and 60's drove cars that were lucky to get 10-12 mpg, but gas was 30¢ per gallon. There used to be reports on TV, radio and in the Newspapers about some high school kid or garage mechanic developing a carbeurator system that would get 50-60 mpg, then the news would disappear. The word was that gas producers and car manufacturers would buy these people and their patents to keep consumption up. I guess the environmentalists have virtually stopped any new oil developement in the U.S.. Why do they keep expanding the Interstate system ?? How much will gas go up when they figure how much corn drowned in the Midwest this past month, we just can't win. How come we don't hear the words "price gouging" anymore ?? My wife and I would,ve considered going to Lodi's Idaho thing, but $800.00 for gas, out of the question. Maybe, there'll be another high school kid with a new invention and save us all !!
But "WAIT", they don't teach that stuff anymore, computers and gym classes are more important. These are the thoughts of a sometimes confused American. $4.15 per gallon--Yikes !!

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 8:10 AM

It's killing me - I live in the country and it's a 20 round trip to my office. My husband quit his job of 17 years in January because the commute was 166 miles round trip per day and it was eating us alive. On the other hand, I've moved the majority of our 401k into a natural resources fund with T Rowe Price and it's doing very well against the other market issues.

Bigbird  (Level: 236.3 - Posts: 3300)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 8:21 AM

We are at $4.29/gallon and I drive a lot. Anytime I go to visit my grandson, it is a 40 mile round trip in stop and go traffic. I am babysitting today - that will be $8.30 in tolls and who knows how much in gas! I wish I could just use the money to buy a present!!

I sort of freelance, and one of the companies I work for pays me mileage, but the others do not. I take the mileage off my taxes, but it doesn't help when it costs almost $60 to fill the tank.


1mks  (Level: 208.4 - Posts: 5866)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 9:51 AM

Congress voted a couple of weeks ago NOT to open the reserves in Alaska to drill for oil. How brillant is that? Our political people suck..........on BOTH sides. I really don't mean to start a diatribe about politics either. I just think that we can drill at home to alleviate some of this. We are headed for another depression if things don't turn around. I got 9 gallons of gas recently and it was $37.....that is insane. I try to keep my tank full.

Foogs  (Level: 264.8 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 10:14 AM

Yeah, our generation (I'm just barely a Boomer) has screwed up everything
else for future generations. No matter now if we wipe out every shred of
natural beauty in this country (on the planet), erase a few unimportant
animal species, make the air even more unbreathable and the water even
more undrinkable, and completely eliminate the last potential for a quality
of life any where near what we have enjoyed. Screw my kids and potential
grandkids! We want cheap gas!

Opening up protected areas for drilling, including offshore drilling, is nothing
more than an empty, cynical political act intended to encourage Americans
their brainless and spineless representatives are actually doing something.

What has been suggested will not free us from foreign oil. It will not make
gas prices go down. It will encourage oil companies to further rape the planet
in search of greater profits. Even worse, it will simply postpone serious
attempts to develop alternative energy sources.

If we had made efforts in the 70s to develop alternative energy, or even to
simply produce vehicles that didn't guzzle gas like it would last forever, we
might not be in the state we're in now.

Face it. It's time to either pay the piper or change our lifestyle.

Maurlin  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 2661)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 10:27 AM

I live in Florida, and our governor, Charlie Crist, has up until now been fervently against drilling off the Florda coast. He went for an unofficial VP interview with McCain, and yesterday's paper had the headline that he has now changed his view and agrees with McCain about offshore drilling. Looks like McCain may have selected a running mate.

Another article I read said that if all offshore oil here could be recovered, it would provide perhaps at most 8 months worth of gas. Hardly worth the potential danger to ocean and wildlife, as far as I am concerned!

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 10:48 AM

Yes Liam....
So-called "Scarcity" of any commodity is what makes the cost go up
and guess which areas of the world are thriving right now???? Alberta
is Canada's Texas, and you can hardly buy a house there for under a
million dollars!!!!
I had a friend years ago, who invented a process that would extract
petroleum from coal....the company he worked for claimed the process
as theirs, vetoed his ability to patent it, "disappeared" the
process....and then fired him!!!!
The world is full of greedy unprincipled people who are in positions
of power!!!! And the Governments are in their pockets because they
get the Tax Revenues - as well as personal "kick backs" to support
whatever policies "they" dictate.
So we have to "suck it up" and hope for "Change" in November....

Salzypat  (Level: 154.5 - Posts: 5295)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 11:20 AM

Don't expect any real changes in November. I know, they all say they are for change, but when they get into office they find out they have Congress to fight and a billion or so laws to adhere to; changes do not come about easily, if at all.

Before I had children I would say my kids won't do this, and my kids aren't going to get away with that. My mother would smile and say, "You'll soon learn there are times you've been talking when you should have been listening." I suspect that's what the politicians should be doing -- more listening and less talking. (if you don't talk so much you won't have so much to explain later)

A number of years ago my ex-husband spoke with a man who had ordered a new pickup from the factory. When it was delivered he was astonished to find it was getting about 60 mpg! He didn't have it long until the company contacted him and told him he had to return the pickup to the factory (at their expense) and they would give him any pickup with any packages he wanted. He tried to keep the one that was getting the great mileage but the company pressured him until he accepted their offer.

Was the man lying or was it an urban legend? I don't know. My ex-husband believed him.

Don't be totally discouraged about what students are studying in school. We have several schools in Nebraska that have classes where students design and race small electric cars. Our school places extremely well, usually at the top, in most races.

The price of gas has leveled off at about $3.87 for premium unleaded. On Thursdays some of the stations offer 5 cents a gallon off.

Surreyman  (Level: 257.2 - Posts: 2766)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 11:22 AM

You have it easy in the USA!
In UK we pay towards $9 a gallon.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 11:42 AM

I complain a lot but I haven't changed much.

However, I'm really distressed about an upcoming trip to Seattle over the 4th where we are supposed to bring our camper and drive our big pickup. That's going to cost a fortune.

Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 11:46 AM

Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 11:59 AM

I luckily live in a city (San Francisco) with good public transportation - $45/mo for unlimited subway/streetcar/bus use. It's put a damper on just-for-fun weekend trips though. We rent when we need a car but lately they're always out of the economy (32-35mpg) cars we reserved and want to give us giant gas guzzlers. Even when we get a smaller car it's expensive. I drove to L.A. in one a few months ago and paid more for the gas than for the rental.

I'm just really glad I don't need a car to get to work.

Kaufman  (Level: 254.1 - Posts: 3936)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 12:03 PM

But remember, Alan, a dollar's now worthless. So that $9 is what? Half a pound?

Cujgie  (Level: 170.9 - Posts: 754)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 12:25 PM

I'm with Foogs. The more we hurt our environment, the more future generations will suffer. The incredible greed in the U.S. blows my mind with wants confused as needs.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 3:48 PM

Do you think the powers that be would allow Snopes to know the truth on this subject? No one can know unless someone steps forward with the paperwork and check receipt. And I think those powers cover their tracks better than that. I'd love to be wrong.

That's like saying there are extraterrestrial beings visiting earth. No, can't be true - Snopes says it's false.

There's no way Snopes knows anything about anything that top secret.

I personally have a family member who bought a Cadillac back in late 60s that got 80 mph per gallon.

"Official" guys showed up on his ranch and announced they had "accidentally" sold him a model with an "experimental" carburetor and they would be reclaiming the car, and sorry for the inconvenience, here is your replacement. Over his protests, they would not allow him to keep the original Cadillac.

Need the name? I have the name, the location, and this note of interest:

The family living in that town has been in fear of retaliation if they say anything, because that particular family member died shortly thereafter from botulism contracted at the (scared to tell you the location) Country Club, after having lunch there after church one Sunday (as he and the family did predictably every Sunday after church). The editor of the town newspaper also died from that buffet meal.

Yes. It scares me. I'm for capitalism. But absolute power does more than just corrupt absolutely.

Snopes can't help this family. There are things outside of Snopes realm.

Of course, that was before the internet. But I've searched and can't find anything about those deaths, though it made national news. I'd have to go to that state and town and look in the newspaper microfiche. I would even be scared to do that in today's political climate. Back then gasoline was 27 cents a gallon.

Nelly  (Level: 169.8 - Posts: 1167)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 5:54 PM

I now have to part with £100 sterling to fill the car tank with diesel! The price of food is soaring in the shops. Sadly, the same does not appear to be happening with pay!!!!

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 7:15 PM

The Anwar reseve in Alaska is actually a relatively small. Oil from the reserve would do little to reduce reliance on foreign oil sources, and if drilling were to start this year, no gas would be available from Anwar for maybe 12 years. That Congress has not permitted drilling in Anwar to date is one of the few policies of Congress that have not sucked.

Current oil prices are not mostly -- if at all -- driven by scarcity of resource. More significant factors: (1) speculation in oil futures and (2) devalued American dollar brought about by funding the War on Iraq on credit. Curious that Bush and Cheney were both oilmen, and the cost of a barrel of oil is over $100 more than when Bush started his presidency. Must be a mere coincidence.

I drive a small Honda and live a mile from my office. I admit to not being particularly sympathetic to the millions of people who bought SUVs that they didn't need They didn't mind wasting fuel in a gas-sucking SUV when a gallon of gas cost under $2.00, but now that it costs more than $4.00 a gallon, it's a lot of pissing and moaning.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 7:27 PM

I think it's interesting to be an American and look at the rest of the world's prices - I think that several have posted about how much higher theirs are - but they seem to go unnoticed - I went to look specifically for gas prices around the world - and was a bit disappointed to find that most are as of last year - but Wikipedia has the most countries listed -

Wonder what the heck Venezuela's got going on to be at 3 cents/gallon

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 7:32 PM

Venezuela has large domestic reserves and subsidizes gas for its citizens.

Extremely high taxes on gas throughout Europe.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 7:35 PM

I know if oil companies drilled in Anwar and other presented restricted offshore areas, it wouldn't bring any prices down directly -

BUT it would put brakes on the out-of-control speculatory price rises. Futures are a part of the price problem right now.

Kimoira  (Level: 198.4 - Posts: 1189)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 7:41 PM

4.24 a gallon here in NYS. I drove to the rez today where it's 4.05 so there's a little break anyway... never thought the Senecas would go over 4.00 though

Donleigh  (Level: 146.2 - Posts: 4985)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 10:17 PM

There is enough oil in the world to fuel every car for the next hundred years. That has nothing to do with the price of a barrell, or with the price of gas. If a new deposit appeared right now with the capability of producing a zillion barrells, it wouldn't drop the price of gas.
You want to pay less? Insist on technology in your cars that increases MPG - and don't get a new car every few years. Make the car companies give you what YOU want, not what they can sell you.
We are all responsible for the rise in gas prices because we won't get out of our cars.

Kaufman  (Level: 254.1 - Posts: 3936)
Thu, 19th Jun '08 10:39 PM

What's all this fuss about drilling holes in Anwar? Wasn't it bad enough that some fanatic drilled him with a bullet years ago? Let the poor guy rest in peace! Or if you must poke holes in some political leader's corpse, make it someone deserving, like Josef.

Surreyman  (Level: 257.2 - Posts: 2766)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 6:43 AM

UK moan post again .........
Our petrol, whisky, cigarettes (all my mainstays of life!) must be the highest taxed in Europe, if not most of the world. Even a pint is knocking $6, and that IS my mainstay of life!
Our gas (the stuff that works the central heating - not 'gasoline'!) has gone up 20% this year already and is rumoured to be up another 40% by year end.
Housing is through the roof - towards a million US dollars for a 4-bed detached in my area. Hey - I'm a dollar millionaire - on paper!
And, of course, our salaries are probably amongst the lowest of the G8.
I should have moved out 67 years ago!
Enjoy while you still can, USA!

Nelly  (Level: 169.8 - Posts: 1167)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 7:26 AM

Hear. Hear!

Strange, bearing in mind we are in the U.K - We were unpacking some supermarket shopping and noticed the onions came from New Zealand (not UK, France or Spain but all the way from N.Z.)! Why???

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 8:25 AM

BTW, I don't buy that we can't drill in the Anwar because it might affect the mating or living habits of the caribou. In Texas, we have oils wells in the middle of our fields with our horses and cattle and it doesn't affect them one bit, summer or winter.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 8:34 AM

Am I not correct to assume that in Europe there is more land transportation than in the U.S. . In America, everyone has to fly, even short distances. Except for larger cities, the U.S. almost eliminated all train service and buses are almost extinct. I will never fly again because of the idiots that work for TSA. I went there for a job in 2002 and was told I was over-qualified. They hired a bunch of people who were planning more on how they would be able to get out of work, than work. Since I started this posting, I have traded one of my pickup trucks and bought a Chevy Cobalt which gets about 35 mpg. That should double my mileage and cut gas in half. I do remember reading about some of those cars that got through with high mpg abilities. Big business people are bad people.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 8:39 AM

"Big business people are bad people."

I guess before I post my initial reaction to this Bill, what do you exactly mean when you say this?

Oldcougar  (Level: 217.3 - Posts: 1935)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 8:40 AM

Canada, which has significant oil reserves, has higher gas prices than the US, go figure Of course, we have a s*** load of taxes added on & they're adding on more here in BC. Runaway inflation here we go. They claim it's so we'll cut consumption, as if most people haven't tried to do that already. Industry & governments need to lead the way with better technology & alternate energy sources. But no, give up the cash cow, don't be silly. They want ordinary people to fix it. It's going to be very sad this coming winter when fixed income & rural folks have to chose between heating or food. What a load of horse manure

Foogs  (Level: 264.8 - Posts: 848)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 9:00 AM

Comparing caribou to cows? You got this Iowa boy laughing on that one!

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 12:51 PM

You're right. Cows are WAY more important to the earth and its people being fed and living every day life than caribou.

I sit corrected.

Fudypatootie  (Level: 194.5 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 2:28 PM

I love hearing the Hollywood types tell us how to cut back on gas usage. I actually heard one the other day say that the high prices don't bother him, he just doesn't go out one night a week and that helps.


When you live in a rural area with no public transportation service and your job, if you even have one, is 20 miles away, going out at night is not the issue. For a lot of people around here, the issue is just getting to work. I've seen a lot more people on motorcycles, scooter, bikes and on foot.

And it is projected that our home heating costs will be double this winter what it was last when it was already over $100 a month.

Exploration, drilling, refining, conserving - none of that is a real fix. We have to get off oil. It's an addiction and this country needs a cure.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 6:13 PM

I don't think I can call it an addiction, exactly.

Let's say we each had a "Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter" like the DeLorean had in Back to the Future which ran on garbage. We would be able to go anywhere as often as we wished and not hurt the environment at all.

Would we call that an addiction and still say we needed to curb our trips?

I don't think I'm addicted to oil. I'm just very dependent on oil because I don't have anything cheaper / more plentiful to get me to work.

And it must be said again that oil companies are public. They are us. Our retirement funds may have shares of oil companies. Our friends or we ourselves may have shares. How many humans own oil shares and expect a profit from their investment?

It's not really the big, mean oil company against us, because we're a part of them. It's people who don't own shares that call them windfall profits. The oil companies have moved and built America for decades. They are huge corporations, but their percentage of profit is not as high as some other corportations' profits. Without oil companies drilling, our lives and even health are different.

Plastic is made from oil.

It's just that for most of us, if we don't like the price of something, we don't buy it and their "obscene" profits don't affect us.

But we're all dependent on oil every day of our lives - even if we're not driving today, trucks are driving bringing everything we ever buy to the stores.

Kaufman  (Level: 254.1 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 6:49 PM

I'm sure my retirement funds are partially in the oil companies. How come they're going down the crapper, dwindling to nothing? Somebody's getting filthy rich, and it sure ain't us. Compare what the stockholders in Exxon/Mobil are getting compared to their profits ... I'm sure there's a gigantic differential.

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 7:02 PM

Jank, I definitely own oil stocks through mutual funds, and I'll still call oil company profits obscene. In fact, as an investor, I would gladly acept lower overall returns for significantly less volatility. I also don't support massive layoffs or otherwise screwing laborers to squeeze every cent of profit possible. I DO support dramatic decreases in salaries for CEOs and the entire corporatist management class -- the chief beneficiaries of unbridled greed. Current oil prices in the U.S. are a direct consequence of Bush administration policies, and now he'd sucker the public to let him handover Anwar and the coastlines to his rich oily buddies. Don't for a minute believe the rich haven't been waging an aggressive class war against the rest of us from the moment of Bush's election.

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 7:04 PM

But at least George will save us from gay marriage. What a relief.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 7:04 PM

So what do we do? Because I don't think the change in president either way is going to change this problem.

What do we do?

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 7:16 PM

It seems it's much easier for a president to be able to cause mostly harm than to correct the harm caused by the predecessor. I agree that a change in president is not going to be enough to result in any fundamental reversal of American decline.

What to do is the million dollar question.

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Fri, 20th Jun '08 11:09 PM

Wild thought...but what about we think outside the box (which we have been able to do for quite sometime now, just hasn't been convenient).

The alternative fuel "subculture" has been alive and sick for some years but due to the present state of the US government, is not prospering.

I'm gonna puke.


Fudypatootie  (Level: 194.5 - Posts: 1302)
Sat, 21st Jun '08 2:04 AM

I referred to oil as an addiction not in the controlled-substance/meth/cocaine/etc. sense, but in the sense that what other choice do I have? If I don't like Wal-Mart's business practices, I can shop at Target or K-Mart. If I don't like the prices on produce at the local market, I can go to the farmer's market. But if I don't like the price of gasoline, what can I stick in my tank instead? I don't have any other choice. Diversification and a move away from strictly gasoline is what we need. Options. Freedom to choose.

And I don't really care if people are making money off gas, or anything else. I believe in everyone's right to make money, mine included. I just wish our government would take positive actions (not some amorphous, unnamed "change") that didn't put money in their own pockets or their districts, that would help the nation at large.

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 11:49 AM

Did you notice at the bottom of this thread
there was an ad. about how to run your car
on WATER....for a cost of only $49
Of course....they tell us we are running out
of water as well....especially with Global
Mars anyone????

Bbear  (Level: 159.3 - Posts: 2301)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 12:16 PM

Mythbusters is doing a show on gas conversion for cars as we speak.

As for me, I am a hospice nurse and work on the road. It now costs 50.00 to fill my little Honda and I go through 3 tanks a week. Ouch!

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 2:01 PM

The only thing we're not running out of is humans.

Pee-engine anyone?

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 2:28 PM

Just got back from a 1300 mile trip and averaged a little over 31 mpg in a '07 Saturn Ion. Very happy with that because gas in Michigans U.P. (St Ignace) was $4.19. What ticked me off was coming back home on I-75/US 127 I set cruise at 71 mph and was eaten alive by huge SUV's and gas guzzling pick-ups. Got passed once by a Ford F-150 pulling a fifth wheel camper doing about 80. Do these people realize how stupid they are? I love speed, (my lifetime driving record will attest to that), but these morons could pay a lot of bills with what they are blowing out their tailpipes. I doubt if they are all rich. We stopped at a large convenience/gas outlet at the M-52/I-96 intersection and while waiting for momma to do her thing I noticed everybody at the pumps using their plastic to pay for gas. Well, that does answer my earlier question about stupidity. You Know,,,pay me now or pay me later

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 4:59 PM

Donden, I haven't used real money in over ten years. 75% of the SOB's running gas stations in Illinois and Indiana are terrorists anyway. Why give them the dough. I called the FBI twice about suspicious activity at stations and they say they can't be bothered. All I know is every three months we get all new gas station help, they go to truck driving school, graduate and then go back to Allah land. This country is so stupid when it comes to the Mid-east it's scary.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 5:57 PM

The bad thing about plastic is that people use their cards because they can't afford gas by cash. Then they get their balance so high they can't pay it off every month so the finance charges kick in and compound the problem. Before long they are maxxed out,then what? Some of these people I'm sure, are the same ones who blew my doors off today. I have not used my BP card for gas since it was Amoco. This is not a boast but it's just that I prefer to pay cash. Fortunately I buy my gas at a local "full service" station owned by a man that I have known for thirty years and at another station that is owned by a Michigan company (Wesco) with no Arabic sounding names. ( Unless Westgate is a Muslim). I just think it is easier for a person to be a little more irresponsible with the gas if he/she didn't just pay the man with three twenties from their pocket.

Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 6:08 PM

It's ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge ), not Anwar........although that is the way to which it is verbally referred.

Much has been said in the past on the pros and cons of drilling in the ANWR. The oil pipeline from Prudhoe Bay AK already runs thru there to Valdez AK. The pipeline is elevated to allow the passage of the Porcupine caribou herd, and also to allow maintenance in winter, so that it is above the projected level of snow. It is about 800 miles (1,300 Km) long.

The region first became a federal protected area in 1960 by order of Fred Andrew Seaton, Secretary of the Interior under U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower. In 1980, Congress passed the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act.
G.W.Bush is currently pressuring Congress to repeal the aforementioned Act.

Currently here in Oz we are paying about $AU1.65 cents per litre.
That appx. equates to $US6.50 per gallon. Whilst that is not as bad as what the UK is paying, it is WAY above what Americans are currently forking out for gasoline.

I am using a mix of gasoline (petrol) with about 10% ethanol, derived from sugar cane. I try not to use my car any more'n I have to for work...and hardly any socializing. It still costs me between $AU50.00 and $AU80.00 per week to get around my jobs.


Fudypatootie  (Level: 194.5 - Posts: 1302)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 7:16 PM

My brother showed me an awesome car. It's a Tesla Roadster. 100% electric, 0-60 in 3 seconds, fully charged in 3.5 hours, goes over 200 miles on one charge, and it's beautiful which is not always true for electric cars. Oh, one little problem. It costs over $100,000. Not exactly affordable for a lot of people. I'd buy one if I could, though.

Check it out:

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 7:52 PM

Before you go overboard criticizing the use of plastic purchasing gas, I've used nothing but gas cards for about 5 years - that way I can track exactly how much fuel I'm using and how much I'm paying.

And I pay it off every month. So just because you see someone flash plastic doesn't mean they're not paying it off every month.

Another reason I always use my gas card is that it keeps me from going inside and being tempted to buy something else!

Donleigh  (Level: 146.2 - Posts: 4985)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 8:21 PM

Has anyone investigated converting to solar energy in their homes? Being one of those non-tax paying apartment dwellers, I don't pay for heat (thank God) but I have gotten the landlord mildly interested if I can find more info for him.

Mplaw51  (Level: 176.9 - Posts: 1582)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 8:27 PM

I appear to use plastic when I purchase gas. It's my debit card and tied directly to my checking account. It's easier than carying cash and I can see what I'm spending also.

My youngest son is 22. He and his friends are irate over the gas prices. It's interesting to see them get ramped up for perhaps the first time. All of his friends have taken to riding bikes everywhere. His car is always home. They're like a horde on their bicycles. Good stuff!

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 8:56 PM

Obviously some of you are completely misunderstanding me about the plastic issue. I am referring to the people who CANNOT afford to pay cash and are misusing credit cards to purchase gas and then drive all over the place and burn it up and then CHARGE more. I commend you honorable souls who pay their cards up every month or those who use their cards to keep track of their expenses, etc. etc. etc. And NO I am not talking about those poor souls who have to charge gas to get to work or to job hunt etc etc etc. In this real world there are, believe it or not, people who abuse the the fact that if they are BROKE they can still charge gas and have a good time until they have to PAY. Understand?

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 9:10 PM

Yes. But you can't tell that by merely looking.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 9:25 PM

I give up!

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Jun '08 9:30 PM

You said:

"We stopped at a large convenience/gas outlet...I noticed everybody at the pumps using their plastic to pay for gas. Well, that does answer my earlier question about stupidity."

That implies your assumption. I'm saying THIS "stupidity" comment may be unfairly judgmental.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 2:03 PM

BTW, if you are interested, you can PM me and I will give you the name of the rancher and the town in regard to the actual situation I wrote about above.

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