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rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 7:37 AM

CAN ANYONE HELP PLEASE

My beautiful new Lab developed a problem yesterday,
and I have NEVER experienced it before....
Noticed that she was quite "smelly" in her head area
and when I looked in her ears....they are all black
inside. Noticed also that she is sliding her ears
along the ground quite often....
I don't like or trust Vets - and would hope there
is some reasonably "Natural" way of fixing whatever
this is....
Any assisstance would be greatly appreciated....

chyenn
Chyenn  (Level: 202.6 - Posts: 1332)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 7:47 AM

sounds like earmites.

over the years i've dogs and cats to develop them.. always got eardrops from the vet to treat them, so i can't offer a natural remedy.. (putting drops in my cats' ears should have included combat pay!)

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 193.1 - Posts: 1025)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 7:56 AM

Yes, it's earmites. It's like an infection in the ear canal, causing inflammation, swelling, itching, probably pain, and smelly earwaxy drainage. You can get drops at most pet stores which might help. The vet can clean out your doggies ears and give you some better medicine which will work better and faster, however. Sorry you don't have a good vet, I'm kind of that way about our animals too but sometimes you gotta have help!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 7:57 AM

Row - if you have anything like a farm supply or feedstore near you, they always have treatments for animals from dogs to cows. They'll have what the vet gives to get rid of earmites. That's your only choice as far as I know without going to a vet.

Oh - and you can drop by most vets office and they'll sell you the stuff without having to take your dog in, if that helps.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 8:44 AM

Taking your dog to the vet and having THEM clean out the black smelly gunk is worth every dime.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 9:17 AM

Hopefull your distrust of vets doesnt preclude rabies shots because if you think that here he cant get it -- think again -- and as ER nurse, a rabies shot series is not fun, trust me.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 9:22 AM

I wish there was a natural way to deal with this.

Years ago, I had a 15 year old dog that the vet
said should be "put down" because I couldn't pay
for an expensive treatment for diabetes.
I went to the Library, read a lot of books and
discovered BREWER's YEAST is a complete food
and a sort of Panacea for dogs. She perked up
immediately, her coat became glossy again, and
she led a happy, active and productive life for
a further 2 years before she died at 17....

My next dog became VERY arthritic at 12 years old.
So I broke down because he was in pain. The Vet
supplied some pills, that I later found out was
NSAIDS. Within months, my dog was so sick - he
was no longer limpimg and weak.... but lost his
playfulness, and whimpered a lot at night....
Then he had a fatal stroke. When I went on the Web,
I found out that particular medication causes liver
and kidney damage AND eventually PARALYSIS....which
happened to him before he had his stroke!!!!

I fear going to the VETS for anything except shots,
and even those are kept to the minimum....


pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 9:32 AM

WOW, I totally understand! What terrible experiences! I guess it is a true of human doctors -- its great when you have a good one. I am lucky enough to have a skilled vet - when we took my sons beloved cat who somehow had gotten into rat poison -- actually he probably ate a mouse that had been poisoned -- he tried so hard to save the cat -- IV's and all the things as nurse I knew he needed if there was to be any chance -- called me twice a day with routine updates and more when it was obvious it was hopeless.
I am glad you keep the shots up to date though - rabies shots are not given in the stomach -- but the first set is based on your weight -- which means at least 3 shots the first day then return visits for one shot every 3 days or so for 21 days.

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 193.1 - Posts: 1025)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 9:33 AM


debbie1957
Debbie1957  (Level: 45.7 - Posts: 402)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 9:56 AM

Rowlanda, I would go to the vet, even if it was just to get the ear drops. We just went to the vet for our cat (ear mites) and the visit cost more than the medicine.

Debbie

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 10:14 AM

My Dalmation had earmites & we used some stuff from the pet supply store. Took a few goes but we got them. I wasn't too sure about using it because it warned you to not get it on your hands, may cause irritation. You'll need two people, one to hold dog, another to apply drops. Do it outside & wear old clothes. You put the drops in & gently rub their ear to hold it in. When you do let go of the dog beware, black slimy goop will fly everywhere, as they shake their heads wildly. Not pretty. Perhaps there is a natural oil that is less toxic you could use. I bet there's a pet store in Toronto that sells natural products. Good luck

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 10:15 AM

Sorry, but you may be headed in the wrong direction here. I have a 10 year old Lab who had the very same symptoms as you describe. I got ear mite medicine and it did no good at all. Finally the VETERINARIAN suggested he might have a food allergy which is common in labs. The food allergy most common in large dogs especially Labs is beef and dairy. That was it. We have been feeding IAMS large breed pro active (blue bag) since he was 2 years old and the problem disappeared. But TAKE HIM TO A VET! I would hate to be your dog. Is it really that you don't trust vets or you just don't want to pay for it? Your dog deserves better. Maybe you should adopt him out to someone who really cares about their pet.

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 193.1 - Posts: 1025)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 10:18 AM

Gee, that was real helpful.


salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.4 - Posts: 5316)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 11:29 AM

Well, Ron, at least Donden started out in the right direction by offering a helpful hint. Sorta was downhill from there.

The link you offered was helpful and I have added that link to my favorites. Looks like a lot of good information available there. German shepherds are plaqued with ear mites fairly often and it is not a pretty thing to treat.

Rowlanda, I don't know that I would treat the ear mites for a week on my own unless you saw real improvement within 2 or 3 days. Your dog has to be extremely uncomfortable. There's also an ear wash that you can put in your dog's ears on a weekly basis to help keep them clean and healthy. I think you can probably buy it over the counter at a farm supply. I think there is a home remedy using peroxide but I don't know the measurement of peroxide to water to clean the ears .You might be able to find that on the Web, too.

I hope in the meantime you'll do some asking around to find an excellent vet you can trust. We have a young vet in town who has just opened her own office. She is most caring and willing to work with people to find various ways to care for their pets. I hope you can find someone like her. In a city the size of where you live you might be able to find a homeopathic vet.

Good luck!

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 11:36 AM

Last time I took dog to vet for earmites it cost me over $200.00 & the dog still had the mites Ran out of cash, so still had to do routine as I described above.

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.4 - Posts: 5316)
Mon, 23rd Jun '08 12:55 PM

It seems as though it should not cost that much to treat a dog for earmites unless the situation was so prolonged that it was a major, major issue. I think it was on the link Ron provided it said the dog owner might need to steam clean carpets, furniture, etc. so there isn't a re-infecting.

I've had German shepherds for years and they often get earmites. Usually one visit to get the diagnosis and medicine is all it takes. With the medicine on hand, I could just re-treat at the first sign of an infection.



rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Tue, 24th Jun '08 1:20 AM

Ron....
I agree with Pat....that site is AMAZING and very
informative about many things. I've put it in my
favorites for future reference about all those topics.
Thank you for finding the information and passing it on.
And thank you for all of you who made helpful suggestions
I'll try some things and let you know how it goes....

Donden....I was taught, if you can't say something good
then don't say anything....and that goes double when the
comment is designed to denigrate.
Strangely enough I feed my dogs IAMS because this dog has
a delicate digestion. I will keep on top of this problem.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.2 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 24th Jun '08 1:39 AM

You definitely want to get to it quickly, though. Our cat had ear mites and we didn't know it until she had burst a blood vessel from shaking and scratching her ear. Now her ear is permanently droopy.

viperdan
Viperdan  (Level: 55.0 - Posts: 140)
Tue, 24th Jun '08 3:18 PM

take her to the vets, its only fare.

revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Tue, 24th Jun '08 3:41 PM

Having just swallowed a $500 vet bill for nothing more thanshots and health checkups (and yes we really do LIKE this vet...we're putting his son through college, obviously!) I'd go over the counter on earmite treatment first. If it doesn't knock them down, you'll still have a vet as a fallback, but what you're describing sure sounds like ear mites.

Wouldn't hurt to take them on yourself first.

redwingchick
Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Tue, 24th Jun '08 7:55 PM

It may not be ear mites. It may be a yeast infection. Do the ears smell like cheese? My lab gets yeast (not nearly as much as before because he is on allergy meds) and when he would get it bad the vet would clean them out (I highly recommend you have the vet do this) and gave him Otomax drops to put in. Now when he starts getting a little funk I put in Otomax for a few days and it clears right up. Otomax is quite inexpensive and so was the clean out at the vets. Shouldn't cost too much. Keep us updated!

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Wed, 25th Jun '08 5:20 PM

Well, I've been cleaning out Amber's ears with Mineral Oil
(and incidently putting it in my own ears too - wouldn't
do anything to my dogs, that I wouldn't do to myself!!!!)
She is VERY happy and her ears are almost totally clean and
odour-free now. I noticed something wrong as soon as she
started to smell, and rub her ears on the floor. She never
did scratch at her ears, or shake her head a lot....so don't
know if it WAS Mites....
Bless you all for your suggestions and caring. I've always had
super healthy dogs - but then this is the first Pedigreed dog.
The others were all adopted from the Pound, and of doubtful
ancestry....just like me.
FYI....I don't like or trust most Doctors either and only go for
prescriptions - even when I had Bronchitis for a month and
couldn't breathe!!!! And if you had my history, I'm sure you
wouldn't trust them either....my blood pressure has been known
to go up 30 points, when I have to let them touch me....
My children are in their 40's so obviously survived my preference
for simple cures and allowing time to heal naturally.

redwingchick
Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Wed, 25th Jun '08 5:32 PM

Really keep an eye on those ears, okay? I know you don't like vets but long-term infections can cause deafness if they are not nipped in the bud. I recommend that you join this labrador forum that I am a member of and ask for a vet referral in your area. If not for that, at least to get some advice. It is a really great forum and it has been of such a huge help to me with my labs since I joined it 3 years ago. Check it out.

www.lab-retriever.net

My name there is SmackbellysMom. You won't be sorry! Hope to see you there!

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 25th Jun '08 5:38 PM

Don't be so sure it is earmites. My retriever just had chronic ear infections, I think they manufacture a lot of wax as waterdogs or whatever.

If you don't address it and the dogs keep after their ears, they can develop blood clotty things, hematomas I think they are called, and it is surgery and time for the Jetson's collar.

Get a vet you like.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Wed, 25th Jun '08 6:44 PM

Yes Redwing and Smaug....I will certainly keep an eye on things
now that I know she has this tendency....only had her a month!!!!
I had heard that ANY breed with droopy ear flaps can have ear
problems but just have never experienced it before.

SMAUG....never MET a vet I liked....and I've had dogs for over
40 years - mostly Labs, one Spaniel and one SheltieX.

REDWING....I signed up for that Lab site....and noticed you did
not mention Sploofus under "hobbies" I always put the name in so
people will ask about it and I can direct them here. I tried to
PM you but was told you don't accept messages....how come????

Thanks again y'all, Amber and I appreciate your input....

redwingchick
Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Wed, 25th Jun '08 8:54 PM

I PM'd you on the Lab Board.


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