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kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Tue, 8th Jul '08 7:29 PM

VARIOUS EDITORS

This is not an editor slam, so please don't take it as such.

In the grand scheme of things, when you submit squares/quizzes/ker-blunks, etc - do you notice a patter among specific editors in what the outcome is?

I'm just curious - I think this has been spoken about before - but I'm just wondering -

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Tue, 8th Jul '08 8:34 PM

Wonder no more dear, you are exactamundo correctamundo.

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Tue, 8th Jul '08 9:00 PM

What's a patter?...I haven't been around. Explain please?

Sun

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Tue, 8th Jul '08 10:26 PM

pattern - so sorry - just frustrated -
I know that the ker-blunk was refashioned after the first one's I wrote - and that was all brought to my attention via the comment system whent I requested a title edit - and then woo hoo the fun begins.

My most popular and highest rated ker-blunk is the early ones before what I guess is pick a title, and pull out a word - it's really hard for me cause I'm so wordy LOL - but I don't think my Poe ker-blunk would rate as highly as a quiz as it's doing here - so that's a bit frustrating here...

However, in light of all this, I've crossed into the land of too many words and have to choose to edit, or rewrite it all, expounding a bit to make it quizworthy - I would like to suggest to Justin a "MOVE" button - to move from the land of ker-blunk to the land of quiz.

It's probably more complicated than I think - even being familiar with programming - but that would be nice.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Tue, 8th Jul '08 10:57 PM

We are really sorry for any inconsistency - from the first Ker-Blunks to the current ones, and from one editor's response to another's. We are still trying to smooth out exactly what a Ker-Blunk is and how it is different from a Quiz.

We are currently working on a SKAG (Sploofus Ker-Blunk Authoring Guide) to go along with the SQAG, so we have a clear set of rules (clear for you the authors and us, the editors), but it's a process.

Hang in there and keep writing!

Basically, our current paradigm is that Quiz questions are WRITTEN by you the author; Ker-Blunks are SELECTED. Maybe that guideline will help you decide whether you are writing a Quiz or creating a Ker-Blunk before it gets too far

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Tue, 8th Jul '08 11:03 PM

Thanks 'fizz

I try really hard not to criticize, I'll get it - I guess I can see the difference as I look at it - but I can still say without a doubt that my earliest ker-blunk done right after beta - is my highest rated and has the most positive comments - while the others, except for one, mainly pass through - I'll work to understand it - sigh...still want a move button

bushyfox
Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 12:14 AM

I hear you, Kaelin....I also blindly wrote a Ker-blunk, not really having a clear grasp of what it was all about, and what was expected.

It came back to me, cited as unsuitable in format for Ker-blunks. So I pondered on it awhile, and re-wrote it as a fairly successful quiz. ("Just gimme the chocolate.......or else!")

I now see how I should have approached it, and that my subject matter was not really adaptable for a Ker-blunk anyway.
Now that I have a better understanding of what is expected, I may try again sometime soon......with a suitable topic.



Cheers, Bev


kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 12:25 AM

My biggest thing to wrap my mind around is that I like to learn when I take - and educate (hopefully) when I write.

I had a pm from another sploofuser that gave me some insight on some of my most recent ones that passed, one probably shouldn't have I guess based on what one of my returned ones was - this one was actually returned for punctuation, and I redid it and it passed - and although people have taken it - they don't seem to like it - one of the lowest rated that I've ever had.

I've had two returned & a third I wish I could just get out of the queue because I know it's going to be returned - but the editor had some helpful info:

Hello! Although this looks to be a most interesting Kerblunk, changes must be made before it can launch.

Specifically, all of the questions must be revised. We are no longer accepting sentences with blanks in them as Kerblunks. Basically, a Kerblunk is a well known something with a part of it missing. A sentence is not a Kerblunk, nor is anything that includes wording by the author. Kerblunks are designed for speed and do not require punctuation, as a rule.

For instance, #1 could read "blah blah [blank] blah - blah" and that would be fine. That's how short and unembellished they need to be. The blank must be part of something well known (a title, lyric, product, etc.) and not part of a sentence.

Hope this helps to explain it.

I'm sharing that so maybe that helps - and trying to make the decision if I'm going to move these two returns to a quiz...

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 12:41 AM

I got a message that said kerblunks have to stand on their own with no help from me, and the only parts that should be in my own words is the title, description, and wrong answers. I'm doing mine as stripped down as I can get 'em and I've only had one returned because I made personal comments about the songs.

People just score these lower than quizzes, because they look so easy, but I don't think that's fair. They shouldn't be scored compared to quizzes or even by difficulty of construction, but by what the author has done within the limits of the form. It's upsetting that the scores are averaged in with quizzes. I worked really hard to get my average rating above 8, and Kerblunks have dragged it down. The points are nice, but I liked that 8, and I don't like losing it. It makes me question if I want to keep writing Kerblunks until my average is dragged down to the low 7s. That part sucks.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 1:11 AM

Thanks for your insight Smoke.

A definitive guide will definitely be helpful...I'm sure it will help the editors as well as the authors.

I've resubmitted on that was returned as a quiz - not thrilled totally - but I love the subject - but I wonder if there is now not enough "meat" for the quiz...I'll find out I guess!

Think I'll go take some ker-blunks

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4185)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 3:21 AM

I've found this to be a very interesting and helpful thread, as I've been working on a Kerblunk, but now see that I was headed in the wrong direction, and it was more quizzy than Kerblunky. Now, I'm so diz-zy, my head is spin-ning ...

As to the issue of rating Kerblunks, the lowest rating I've given is a 7. There was one where I suggested the author might want to reconsider a couple of answer choices, but I still rated it a 7 or 8 because I enjoyed it and thought it was good overall. I totally agree that Kerblunks shouldn't be given a low rating or considered somehow inherently mediocre. It seems likely that some people are unfairly comparing Kerblunks to quizzes, when they're two different types of puzzles.

Maybe in addition to authoring guides, there needs to be some sort of basic rating guide for users.

If anyone reading this already, you might want to take a peek at the thread in Hotwire called "Beta Testers: Ker-Blunk Discussion," as it also has some helpful posts.

-- Geri

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4185)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 3:33 AM

Oops, left out a few words from my post above.

The sentence, "I totally agree that Kerblunks shouldn't be given a low rating or considered somehow inherently mediocre" should read: "I totally agree that Kerblunks shouldn't be given a low rating or considered somehow inherently mediocre just because of the format."

Sorry about any confusion.

-- Geri

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 7:35 AM

I think the part of Sploofusgenie's great explanation that probably needs to stand out the most is "well known something with a part of it missing".

This is probably the reason for my lower rating than most and except for a couple of familiar sploofusers that took it and probably enjoyed it and didn't give a low rating is what's keeping it from being lower, because while it might be familiar to me it would not be considered generally familiar.

Dynemite seems to have it down to a science

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 5:55 PM

As one of those who considers the Ker-blunk format inherently inferior, I must say that the ever more restricted acceptable formula for these things only ensures that the format is even more mediocre than what I initially fathomed would be the case. I bet I could write about 4 Ker-blunks an hour - even at my typing speed - given the format rules. I think Ker-Blunk and Quiz ratings should be wholly separated and compiled -- which is another one of the suggestions I made as beta tester that so far has been ignored. If this were done, I could use different criteria for rating Ker-blunks than what I use for Quizzes. As things currently stand, my standard rating for any Ker-blunk is a "7". I'm sure I've given a couple of "8s", but probably to a now no onger acceptable Ker-blunk. I'll markdown for factual errors, a misleading or inadequate description, or the like. I cannot in good conscience rate any of the Ker-blunks i have played as a "9", given that the time and creativity in creating a "9" quiz and the best Ker-blunk is the difference between night and day.

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.7 - Posts: 2100)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 11:09 PM

Yo, Tim!
If you don't like Kerblunks, why waste your time with them? Just take quizzes. There are thousands out there that you probably haven't taken yet.
Koota

haydn
Haydn  (Level: 198.4 - Posts: 254)
Wed, 9th Jul '08 11:41 PM

I just want the pony!

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 10th Jul '08 12:54 AM

I disagree, Tsk. It's not a quiz and shouldn't be judged by quiz standards. Yes, it's easier to make than a quiz. But it's also easier to take, and those rewards are the same. It's ungenerous at a minimum to mark Kerblunks down because they're not quizzes, when they're clearly not SUPPOSED to be quizzes.

It is what it is, and its top score is meant to be a 9, not a 7. Why punish the players who write them because you look down on the game?



suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Thu, 10th Jul '08 1:06 AM

I see it as a completely different game, so maybe it should have a different rating system, and not have the ratings averaged in with the quiz ratings, but kept separate.

A great Ker-Blunk should get the highest rating if it's really the best of its genre!

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Thu, 10th Jul '08 11:31 PM

Suzer, that is my point. If they were judged by themselves, I would use criteria that only judged Kerblunks against other Kerblunks, but as things now stand, their ratings are categorized with the quiz ratings. Thus, I think it would be unfair to consider them distinct from quizzes when rating them. It is also my practice to rate "list quizzes" (for example, Somebody's Top Songs of 1973) with a standard 7, an occasional 8 for a particularly clever list, with markdowns for factual inaccuracy and the like. As such, I believe I am treating Kerblunk ratings in the same way I have approached my quiz ratings.

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Thu, 10th Jul '08 11:52 PM

It's not that I hate Kerblunks -- just like I don't hate list quizzes . I take them to grab some quick points if I am interested enough in the subject, but that doesn't mean I consider them as good as the better and best quizzes. Again, as a Beta tester, I indicated that I would not consider authoring a Kerblunk so long as they were rated in a group that included quizzes.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 7:02 AM

I can't seem to find the page listing Ker-Blunks that have received Editors Awards. Can some Editor posing as a player help me?

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Sat, 12th Jul '08 7:44 AM

Felix - I cannot pose as anything, but Kerblunks are not eligible for Editor's Awards, so there is no such page.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 6:34 PM

My humble and personal opinion:

I like quizzes with meat. I want to challenge myself, and learn something. Does that mean I hate Kerblunks? Nope. Does that mean I ignore them? Usually. But every once in a while, I see a Kerblunk on a subject so dear and close to my heart, I decide to guilty-pleasure it and do it just for the endorphins those words on the page will generate as I read them. I saw a few minutes ago that there was a brand new KB of Weird Al song titles. I went ahead and did it. Best 26 seconds I've experienced this hour

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 6:35 PM

Bet you didn't give it no 7 neither.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 7:55 PM

Aw Ken! Made my day to read that!

I have it figured out now - I just have to resist my urge to further educate...and will try to pick up at least what I feel is fun and hopefully others will feel the same.


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