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Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 9:43 PM


I didn't understand a word of it. My first one took 18 moves, I had filled in all the spaces, and it still made no sense to me. Someone please explain this puzzle when it is over.

Pocahontas1951  (Level: 55.4 - Posts: 172)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 10:13 PM

I didn't get it, just kept guessing letters, and losing points.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 10:19 PM

I was able to decipher but lost lots of points and moves - the last one I didn't understand at all - will look forward to explanation - I'll be in true shock if low moves are seen here -

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 10:23 PM

This was my first bail of the month. Bummer.

Cujgie  (Level: 170.5 - Posts: 754)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 10:24 PM

Thank goodness that's over with! I hope I sleep ok tonight.

Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 10:28 PM

Well, I thought I got it, but now I'm not so sure. I guess it would have helped if I'd known more sitcoms.

The ones I did "get" were cleverly combined.

Donleigh  (Level: 145.8 - Posts: 4972)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 10:29 PM

I liked this one. I got the clues, I just couldn't get the sitcoms. I thought it was a hard but well done puzzle. After the first one, I just wanted to get less than 100 guesses.

Lucimoore  (Level: 180.5 - Posts: 1678)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 10:30 PM

Thanks for the puzzle Jim! I really do mean that because you spent your time to entertain us but just got to ask "What the hey was that?"

Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 10:35 PM

After I stumbled through the first one, I grasped the gist of things. I found it pretty clever. When I hit characters I knew right off the bat (pun intended) it was no trouble!

Zeedee  (Level: 222.1 - Posts: 1088)
Sat, 12th Jul '08 11:50 PM

I liked it.

Bbear  (Level: 159.3 - Posts: 2301)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:09 AM

Sorry to be a bummer, but this was the worst puzzle ever. Had no idea what you were doing. I would love you to try it again and have it make sense. My hubby, who loves this game, got po'd and went to bed in a huff....

Garrybl  (Level: 275.9 - Posts: 6605)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:11 AM

Maybe there is someone out there who can work it out but this was a first for me.
Five puzzles and not the slightest ****** idea what was going on.
Obviously there was some 'cultural reference' that poor benighted Englishmen of a certain age couldn't understand -- but this puzzle set a new world record I think will never be beaten for me.
Completely unenjoyable, a waste of time and I have no idea at the end of the puzzle what on earth was going on. The clues meant nothing to me...if it weren't against my principles to bail I'd have Dondened it. So well done Jim; another victim taken..

Kaufman  (Level: 253.8 - Posts: 3936)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:30 AM

Congratulations, Don, on being verbed.

Winddancer41  (Level: 63.3 - Posts: 1113)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:37 AM

Think its great you took the time to do the puzzle, but pretty much like everyone else didn't understand it, but at least i finished it.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:39 AM

Lost as a goose (no offense to geese)

Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:59 AM

Even as an avid sitcom viewer, this puzzle was pretty impenetrable to me--it took me to the third puzzle before I figured out what was going on with it, and even then I felt like I was groping in the dark. Of course, if I'd watched more than one of the show referenced, I might have done better, but even still I think it would have taken me a while to work it out. Well, at least it seems to have been challenging for everyone, so it all evens out, I guess.

Aquamar  (Level: 176.8 - Posts: 904)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 2:16 AM

I'm sorry Jim but I didn't get it either. A lot of things go over my head though.

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 4:09 AM

Jim has written so many wonderful Puzzles and Quizzes
to entertain maybe we can cut him a little slack
on this one....
I had a VERY easy first one so actually did better than
I usually do - on number of moves. But was unfamiliar with
some of the sitcoms and characters

Francesann  (Level: 55.5 - Posts: 124)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 4:31 AM

I thought I had done so badly as living this side of the pond, I am not familiar with the sit-coms. I had no idea what I was looking for and just used up letters. I am so glad it wasn't just me and that others also found it difficult.

Tresgatos  (Level: 201.7 - Posts: 4144)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 5:26 AM

Rowlanda wrote: "Jim has written so many wonderful Puzzles and Quizzes to entertain maybe we can cut him a little slack on this one...."

I completely agree with this. I do think most people in the thread have done that, though, mainly expressing confusion and doing so politely for the most part, and if it were my WP, I'd have no problem with that, and I'd want to know if I confused people.

Jim, thanks, I could tell you put a lot of effort into this, and I can honestly say I enjoyed figuring out how Batmen played sitcoms. There's a particular reason for this, which I can't say right now. After figuring out the phrases, I actually said them out loud and got a kick out of it.

Now, I'd like to say something in general about the Platipuzzles. I've enjoyed all of them, and I want all the authors to keep writing. I think the diversity of themes has been great, and as editors have said, our contributing to writing WPs has helped relieve some of their workload, and in my opinion, helped make the site better and more exciting overall. I don't think it's particularly helpful for some people to throw the verbal equivalent of tomatoes at WP authors. I think what would be helpful for WP authors is for people to wait until after a puzzle is over, then politely explain what they didn't like, what they didn't understand and why and possibly offer suggestions for the future. In other words, offer some constructive criticism. Just my two cents.

-- Geri

Salzypat  (Level: 154.3 - Posts: 5295)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 5:33 AM

Well said, Geri.

Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 6:57 AM

Nicely said, Geri! I'd bet most all of us would rather have folks dissect WPs in hopes of making them better than to have folks say nothing and just stew in silence.

I've got one coming up next week that I tried to make sure included puzzles non-American folks could enjoy. BUT I'd much rather know if folks didn't "get" a puzzle, so I could avoid that style again.

It's no fun for either writer or writee to be flummoxed.

Debbie1957  (Level: 45.7 - Posts: 402)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 7:34 AM

After the first puzzle I got the concept. I wasn't totally with it but got through to finish all.


Mplaw51  (Level: 176.9 - Posts: 1582)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 7:35 AM

I "got" some of them right away, some of them I didn't. Jim's way smarter than me and I knew he would get me on this one!!! Nevertheless, as Geri said, constructive criticism is the way to go. I have no criticism actually. Some WP's I score well on (for me) and some I don't. I enjoy the task. This one was no exception. Good job, Jim.

Maurlin  (Level: 210.5 - Posts: 2658)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 7:38 AM

Damn...I finally got it in the middle of the 3rd puzzle. After that it was smooth sailing. Unfortuantely I was down to 3,700 points when I finally understood. Very clever, once I caught on. Before that, not so much..

Garrybl  (Level: 275.9 - Posts: 6605)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 9:11 AM


I know you've given us more great quizzes in the past than just about anyone so

A) We forgive you.
B) Please will you or someone else explain what was going on last night?

Batmen or Batman...and who were those masked men?

Alvandy  (Level: 225.5 - Posts: 7525)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 9:27 AM

Definitely a challenging puzzle. I got the concept early enough, and luckily knew a few of the sitcoms

The "Stan and Kyle" clue was the helpful one as a starter - from long-time watching, I surmised the "oh my god they killed Kenny" reference would probably be "they killed Robin"]

When you're going to have a chance to do over 700 puzzles per year on Sploofus, some may send you to the
"bat cave" for solace.

Jim/ Allena- if convenient, I would like to see all ten phrases/ clues, to see if I was lucky enough to get the sitcoms that were "easier". However if he had used the word "exocotidae"- grrrr!

Lucimoore  (Level: 180.5 - Posts: 1678)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 11:12 AM

Just to clarify my comment of "What the hey was that!" I had the same feeling that I had many years ago when I sat down to take a test or exam and figured out I had studied the wrong material or maybe just skipped studying at all. All my fault because I wasn't prepared. I sure was not prepared for Jim's quiz because I'm not (man I hate to admit this) a sitcom person. Love Boston Legal and watch it while I do other things (Sploofus, etc.) but just never can sit down long enough to watch much television. So as I said, I surely appreciate Jim taking his time and talent to write puzzles for everyone else, something I haven't done yet. So, I am not complaining about Jim's work, just watching something pass by me in a blur.

Maurlin  (Level: 210.5 - Posts: 2658)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:13 PM

The WP that put it all together for me had the clue "Robin Leach" and the WP was "champagne wishes and catwoman". Of course I spelled champagne with an "i" rather than a "g", at first, but at least I was able to catch on. I just wish that one was my WP #1 instead of #3. They were catchphrases that substituted Batman characters at the end of the phrase.

Foogs  (Level: 264.1 - Posts: 848)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:15 PM

As with you, Al, the Stan and Kyle puzzle was the ONE that made
sense to me. Unfortunately for me, it was my last puzzle. The first
four were just letters on a page. And just to be my picky self: The
Dukes of Hazzard and South Park aren't really sitcoms. The savior
for me was that I recognized the characters: The Riddler, Catwoman,
Robin and Mr. Freeze. However, Scarface isn't a Batman character
that I'm aware of.

And just out of fairness, I have a puzzle coming up (I think) some
time this week and I welcome ALL negative criticism.

Maurlin  (Level: 210.5 - Posts: 2658)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:40 PM

I just googled. Scarface is a character in the Batman animated series. He is a ventriloquist dummy.

Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 12:46 PM

I'm not complaining because I did pretty well, but I kept expecting the Batman characters to have some letter/sound connection to the phrase, and it did only in my first (*Perfect Strangers*) puzzle: "The Dance of Joy/Joker." I think it would have been stronger had Batman fans been able to intuit the character.

It also had me wondering what I was watching in the 80s/90s because I didn't tune into any of my five nor the others people have mentioned, much less know their catch phrases.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 1:03 PM

"Robin Leach" and the WP was "champagne wishes and catwoman" was the only one I "got" -

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 1:58 PM

Good grief. I didn't even know Southpark was considered a sitcom.

Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 4:55 PM

OK - Someone please explain this one. It was my first puzzle, and threw me into left field.

The clue was "Kenny on Cosby". I watched Cosby. I don't remember a Kenny, so the clue went over my head. The answer was:
"hush always told me".

What does that mean? I'm not being snotty or unkind - I just want to know what it means!

Thanks, Alice

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 5:10 PM

Kenny I believe was the little boy across the street - I think Rudy told him to hush all the time?

Foogs  (Level: 264.1 - Posts: 848)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 5:31 PM

Hush is a Batman character, though that doesn't really explain
the puzzle. I had a Dukes of Hazzard puzzle where the
character's name replaced a word in a quote. That's all I know.

Oldcougar  (Level: 217.3 - Posts: 1935)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 5:33 PM

Rudy usually called Kenny, Bud, which she pronounced in a very distinctive manner, maybe that will help you, Alice. I had that one but couldn't figure out who Hush was. Discovered he's a character in the comic books. This was a tough puzzle & took me forever to get through but enjoyable none the less Guess they can't all be easy & I have to admit I've never been a fan of Batman comics. Most of the shows I got I never really watched so I really had to dig for what the clues meant but that's not Jim's fault.
for really puzzling us

Aquamar  (Level: 176.8 - Posts: 904)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 5:55 PM

I had that one too Alice and I sat there shaking my head and thinking the pattern is here somewhere but I just can't see it.
I never read comic books when I was a kid because my mother wouldn't allow it.
Jim did however put a lot of effort into his puzzle and its not his fault that I wasn't allowed to read comics.

Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 6:02 PM

Don't get me wrong - I never said it was a bad puzzle, I never said that Jim should be slammed for it - I'm as big a Jim supporter as the next Bird.

I just want the puzzle explained, that's all.

Allena  (Level: 253.5 - Posts: 1388)
Sun, 13th Jul '08 6:36 PM

Lucimoore said it well, many of the word puzzle folk are NOT Sitcom folk. Just to help explain, the most popular quizzes I write are those about Sitcom's. Swiper has the same record. Music quizzes are the second most popular and the ones I like to write the most - Tough, Difficult or whatever you wish to call them, General quizzes - are those taken by most of you that commented.

Barry is such a reserved guy that I feel particularly bad to have disappointed him.

The issue is the top ten television catch phrases, with batman characters accurately or 'alliterationally' substituted for the missing key word. For example: Stan and Kyle's favorite expression on 'South Park' is "Oh my God, they killed Kenny" ... Therefore ... "Oh my God they killed Robin" has to be the right answer. Nevermind ... I didn't watch "Southpark" either. Mia Culpa.

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