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papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 12:25 PM

SPLOOFUS TESTERS KER-BLUNK QUIZZES--EDITORS OPINIONS INVITED

For over three months of testing and trying new stuff, we are all on 2.0. Several of us testers wrote several Ker-Blunk quizzes and got 20-25 hits on most of our efforts. Now, these are buried and everyone plays all the new stuff. I had over 50 Ker-Blunks,like a lot of others. If it is possible, could the Tester's Ker-Blunks get re-released. I, personally wrote a lot of Movie stuff that would do real well now, but it would take some effort to find these. If you wrote any test Ker-Blunks, LMK if you agree with my request.

baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 12:32 PM

Very good point. although I only wrote maybe a handful of kerblunks.
I agree entirely that it seems a wee bit unfair that they have been 'lost' to people who probably would take them.

Not sure if they can be re-launched as new?

slicko
Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 12:37 PM

I second PMB's idea. Those movie ones of his were some of my favorites and I think if people can find them they'd enjoy them a lot.

kimoira
Kimoira  (Level: 201.5 - Posts: 1190)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 12:51 PM

I think that's a great idea Bill.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 12:58 PM

They're not lost. They're in the kerblunk section and accessible through our profiles and from our new ones.

baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 1:20 PM

The reason I said 'lost' (nb the inverted commas) is because at the moment the kerblunks that have been taken do not have the line through them like the quizzes, and I am sure that can be off putting to some kerblunk takers, who take the easy route of only taking the NEW ones as they know they have not taken them yet.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 1:51 PM

If they're not lost and they are accessible why not re-release them as new.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 2:30 PM

I don't know. I don't care. I can find 'em and do 'em if I want to, and I figure everyone else can too. If someone takes my kb and likes it that much, they'll click on All Games by Author and do the ones that interest them, same as I do.

Besides, there aren't a gajillion of them out there, it's a finite task to do them all, and tons of easy points; plenty of people are gonna search out every one.

"Inverted commas?" Is that Brit for "quotation marks?" Then if they're only 'lost', then they're not really *lost*, yes?

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 3:40 PM

I know what to click when I want a particular author, there's a bunch out there with my name at least 50 times. Up until June, my difficulty level rarely hit "4" on my Ker-Blunk quizzes. This wasn't because they were easy, all the players were higher Level players. Now I see a lot of RED when I go to Ker-Blunk for my daily dose of Rock music questions. My only thoughts behind this was to take care of those who helped with their time and effort. The longer I play on this site, the more complex it seems to get.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 18th Jul '08 3:54 PM

See, that's exactly why I didn't bother writing them before it opened to everyone. But I think that hurt me some because when the gates opened the ones who had a raft of them written got a big points bump. I don't know if it matters all that much - if it doesn't just all come out in the wash.

Maybe I ought to worry more.


Nah.

lbh58
Lbh58  (Level: 40.0 - Posts: 161)
Sat, 19th Jul '08 5:26 PM

I'll sign that petition Bill

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sat, 19th Jul '08 5:45 PM

Gonna look for yer kerblunks....right NOW
Dont know nuttin' about dem der movies
but it'll bump up dem points!!!! Mr.PMB.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Sat, 19th Jul '08 8:45 PM

Rowlanda, it is not the points. I just don't like 40-50 hours of reading and typing wasted because players don't get to see the Ker-Blunk or quiz. As far as points go, they could've put us all back to Zero when this thing went 2.0. I think that would be interesting.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sat, 19th Jul '08 9:51 PM

40-50 hours of reading and typing for a KERBLUNK??

Bill, Bill, you ain't doin' it right, man.

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4185)
Sat, 19th Jul '08 10:14 PM

I know next to nothing about cars, Bill, but I'll take some of your other Kerblunks.

-- Geri

dyenamite
Dyenamite  (Level: 49.6 - Posts: 669)
Sun, 20th Jul '08 4:55 AM

I'm with Bill.

Stuff the points... its not about that at all. But a fair few people wrote a lot of KBs and TSs during testing time, (which would have been useless without those contributions) and it would be nice to have more than 20 takers for hours spent on writing them.

And if we all had Donna's approach of waiting til 2.0 went to the public before we launched any puzzles, there would never have been any KBs OR TS written TO test! Yes, they can now can be hunted down, but we all know front page gets far more exposure than key word searches, because they are right there to be taken. I reckon its a good idea for all TS and KBs launched before 2.0 went live, to be re-launched and re-reviewed for EAs.

Good point Bill, sorry so long to respond Mind you, have ya seen the waiting list of KBs and quizzes waiting these days - Imagine how long it would get if we relaunched all the pre-public puzzles ... ppfffft!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 20th Jul '08 7:06 AM

I'm disappointed an editor hasn't posted to your thread.

May I play devil's advocate?

You knew all this would happen when you went into the Beta process. It was a perk of being a Beta. The few, the proud, the small volunteer group who signed up freely for the process. You wrote your KBs for that small group specifically to help Justin. And after all, when Beta testing ended, we who have become KB addicts have found you and taken the ones we're most interested in. There are only so many Sploofus hours in a day. And there's a LOT new here to discover and enjoy.

This thread is alerting many to your plight. Others who don't read Salty might still eventually take your KBs if they wish. And some never will take them, relaunch or no relaunch, just because they plain ol' don't like this particular form.

Perhaps the non-Betas who had read for weeks what Betas wrote about KBs are just having a blast discovering what's up front, and they're "working their way back to you, babe." It IS summer and people's attentions are divided with activities. All is not lost. We're finding your works as we have time.

Or, as in my fave movie, "They bought their ticket. They knew the risk. I say, let 'em crash."

Now stepping down from DA podium.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Sun, 20th Jul '08 7:13 AM

Donna, would you rather do a quiz with the quality and research that mine have or have to find out what Elvis' last name was.
I'm sure writers are familiar with the selective screening some of us get when writing for our fellow players. During the testing period over fifty of my Ker-Blunk quizzes were threatened to be removed because they didn't follow the particular format one of the board members (or whatever they call themself) didn't like. With all the PM's I get with compliments and requests on my quizzes and now, word puzzles, I must be doing something right. I'm going to go and do some Ker-blunks now, maybe there's the theme song from "Happy Days" quiz today.

dyenamite
Dyenamite  (Level: 49.6 - Posts: 669)
Sun, 20th Jul '08 8:10 PM

I'm disappointed an editor hasn't posted AS an EDITOR

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 20th Jul '08 8:35 PM

Thanks, Jank, you saved me 20 minutes typing.

lbh58
Lbh58  (Level: 40.0 - Posts: 161)
Sun, 20th Jul '08 9:48 PM

Happy Days theme song? Hmmmmmmmm, maybe I'll get to writing a kerblunk for that one.

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Sun, 20th Jul '08 10:12 PM

Okay. I'll Bite. But we have got the power to do anything about this. Once a quiz is launched, it is out of our hands, except a couple of us can re-edit it, or delete it. We cannot do anything about it being down in the shuffle. Only Justin has that power.

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Sun, 20th Jul '08 10:13 PM

Geez PMB, if you want to remind the people who are too stupid to hunt down the excellent KBs and TSs that they might have missed during beta testing that they can still hunt them down and take them, why don't you just start a thread here in the BBS about it?

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 6:50 AM

Geez Suzer, I thought all I was asking for was to give to testers their due. We basically got 20-25 players per KB or TS. the new 2.0 writers get hundreds without a sweat. To refer to other players as dumb is dumb. A lot of attention was given to the testers KB and TS quizzes. It even came to the point of removing many of them or change them to regular quizzes. I did a KB last night that was three lines long, mine were excessive with ten words. If Justin is reading this, maybe he give some input to this.

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4185)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 7:20 AM

Hi,
Three points I'd like to make:



tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4185)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 7:38 AM

Hi,
OK, I guess I need some tea this morning. Sorry for the incomplete post above. Anyway, as I was saying ... three points I'd like to make:

1. Sploofusionist has let us know that editors can't relaunch the older Kerblunks. Thank you, Sploofusionist! This way, Bill, you can submit an enhancement or bug report (however you want to look at it), asking Justin to do a relaunch.

2. I can understand what Bill's saying. I think the current Kerblunk navigation flaws make it difficult for many people to find the older Kerblunks. Such people could include newbies and anyone who gets easily frustrated with website navigation issues. I get around the flaws because I like computers and enjoy experimenting and exploring. But not everyone feels that way, and I see nothing wrong with that.

3. I find it unnecessary to describe any Sploofuser as stupid. My cousin is a Sploofuser who has a disabling degenerative illness, which sometimes affects her cognitive abilities and mental stamina. She really enjoys Sploofus as a way to try to keep her mind as sharp as possible. She is not stupid. But there's no way she'd have the stamina to deal with the current navigation problems with the Kerblunks. If she goes to the Movies category, she wants to be able to click on "page 2" or "Next" without being taken back to the main Kerblunk screen.

-- Geri

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 8:49 AM

I apologize if anyone found my comment thoughtless or less than the joke I intended it to be. I don't think anyone who plays on Sploofus is actually "stupid" (I don't think anyone is actually "stupid" even though they sometimes do stupid things, as I did when I tried to be sarcastic in my previous post).

I thought you would all see my point, that since there are no stupid people here, we are all pretty much capable of finding the games we want to play.

I was trying to say that I would prefer it if a person has a legitimate suggestion they should put in a Suggestion Request through the Bug reporting system, like we are supposed to do, and not post it here for discussion.

We know the bug of being bumped back to the opening page when searching has been reported. We can hope that it will someday be repaired. Then it will be easy to search, and this problem will be moot.

No amount of discussion amongst us is likely to change anything. It just makes folks take sides.

But again, I apologize. I wrote a hasty and sarcastic response when I was feeling tired and frustrated. I'll try to be more circumspect in the future.



smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 9:16 AM

Lookit. We were t e s t i n g. We knew we were testing, nothing extra was "due" us beyond the privilege and the fun of being first. You knew there were only 100 or so takers, but you guys cranked them out by the dozens like there was no tomorrow, with no sign of how long it would be before the other 45,000 would be let in to play them. When they were let in, there were only a couple hundred kerblunks, so it's reasonable, to me at least, that most of the folks who were interested went through the games that were there and did the ones they wanted. I have plenty of kerblunks, launched well since the opening, that only have 20-30 takers. Of 35 or so games, only 2 have had "hundreds of takers", only 6 have topped 100, and more than half have less than 50 takers. Now, you may think that half are lame, boring song lyrics that took less than mere seconds to research and write, but au contraire, they are on a wide range of topics, and some of them did take me quite a bit of time and effort.

Why, if you had this concern, and IF you thought you had any reasonable expectation of games being relaunched (and why would you?), didn't you ask about that before submitting all those games? Once you had them figured out, why didn't you keep most of them in reserve and launch them when the takers were there? Seriously, what did you think was going to happen when you launched them? There was certainly no hint that we would get do-overs for games launched in beta.

So say you got a relaunch now (which I don't for a second think will happen); what about the 20-30 players who took it before? Do they also get a retake? Do they not now have an unfair advantage over everyone else in those games? What about the points those games already earned? Do we give those back in hope of making more the second time around, or do you think it's our due to keep those too, and we should get to double down on the beta launches? What about the new Kerblunkers who got in after us? Is it our due to get a big points jump on them when they're writing their games now, trying to catch up to those with a big head start?

I'm not at all technical, but it seems to me not the simplest job in the world to single out all the beta's KBs, relaunch them and figure out how to keep it fair for everyone. It fair boggles me mind. Dunno know about anybody else, but if Justin has massive amounts of time available for fixing what ain't broke, I'd rather he spent it fixing the stuff that is. Maybe the same thing could be accomplished for you without so much disruption if we could navigate more easily among the available games, if the links to the author's other titles didn't take us back to the main game page instead, and if we could tell which ones we've already done without opening them.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 3:11 PM

Another No from the state of Florida. Last time I ask the teacher for extra credit. Next time, I'll go to the principal.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 3:28 PM

That ain't a no, Bill, it's just my opinion, just like yours is yours.

I agree with whoever it was up above that said we should submit this stuff as suggestions instead if arguing among ourselves over things we don't like and can't fix.

I'm not taking a side, and I'm not against your idea, but after a couple days consideration I thought I made some reasonable points. Just don't see how it could work and be fair, or even that it's needed. My OPINION. I'm a philosophical pragmatist, trying to make the best of what is instead of bitching about what ain't. It's my nature.





papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 3:43 PM

John McCain wouldn't be running for president if he got shot down as much as me. lol

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 3:48 PM

Yeah, he just got shot down the once, but it was a doozy. At least they let you go when they shoot you down here.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 5:05 PM

What's this pie-in-the-sky 200 number anyway? It's been NINE MONTHS since I've had any published game with so many as 100 takers! You've got better chances wishing for a pony than 200 takers. Or at least I do. If you're on something performance-enhancing, I'll have what you're having!

summertime
Summertime  (Level: 110.9 - Posts: 1122)
Mon, 21st Jul '08 9:48 PM

Wow! Again...wow, wow, wow! I have been a member of Sploofus since May 2007 and am not a frequent visitor to the Salty Dog. I have posted a concern or two along the way, played a bit in a few of the "rounds" that were started, and sent relevant wishes in response to threads. But as someone, I consider out of the loop...I am totally disbelieving of the intensity that has developed around the original post. I understand I am not in the same position as the involved parties, but I have had my share of occurrences that smoldered. I know I'm sticking my unfamiliar nose where it was not asked but I am so overwhelmed by the content.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Tue, 22nd Jul '08 6:28 AM

"Remarkable"

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.4 - Posts: 3300)
Tue, 22nd Jul '08 6:54 AM

Bill - Lately I have been finding interesting quizzes (and could find Kerblunks if I wanted to) by hitting Advanced Options under the search box. If I go to the movies I come home and hit Advanced Options and look for a quiz on the movie. If I read about something interesting during the day, I hit advanced options.

In that way, I get to see a lot of older stuff that are on topics that interest me at the moment.

And it seems that other folks must do the same, cause when I look at the stats on some of my really old quizzes - I used to write a lot of them - they have had very recent takers. So, I think folks are finding old quizzes and kerblunks when they want to.

Alice

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Tue, 22nd Jul '08 9:55 AM

Summertime, it's not as intense as it may appear, hon. We all know each other fairly well and we mostly enjoy a good wrangle as long as it's not mean.

Bill and I are long-time buddies. I'm crazy about him and I'm positive he has a little crush on me.

Bill, if you don't have a crush, don't tell me. That would be mean. [batting eyelashes and twirling hair]

bbear
Bbear  (Level: 161.0 - Posts: 2301)
Tue, 22nd Jul '08 11:02 AM

Let me stick in my two cents as a non-Beta. When I want to play I look for a specific subject by advanced search and play a whole bunch at one. It is not unusual at all for me to do quizzes written in 2004. So I do think that folks can have no trouble finding old quizzes if they want to.

As far as the Kerblunks, I don't do them so I can't help.

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5314)
Tue, 22nd Jul '08 11:33 AM

Summertime, look at the cat in your avatar ... that's how you need to approach this thread. Sploofus members are passionate about their quizzes, puzzles, etc. But Smoke is right, Before long they'll all cyberkiss and make up and the exchange of words will be over.

No one will probably change his or her mind. They aren't angry. Probably frustrated at times. Just sit back with your little kitten and watch the show.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Tue, 22nd Jul '08 2:28 PM

Donna is right. I lived in Florida for three years and the heat has strange effects on everyone. My wife and I have been inside for almost a week because of the humidity. Florida is like a wet sponge 9 months a year.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Tue, 22nd Jul '08 3:21 PM

I've been here for 22 years. Imagine how addled I am if you got that way in three years!

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Wed, 23rd Jul '08 7:16 AM

I never drank the water, instant stomach cramps in Northwest Florida. Our white clothes never got white unless we sent them to a commercial laundry. Restraunt food wasn't good there either , except for Red Snapper and Hushpuppies. My wife and I actually considered moving to Tennessee until those tornadoes wiped out the area we were looking at. I do know a few people in Chatanooga, but if we went south of where we are, it would probably be in Kentucky. Florida is way out of line with housing costs and it is also too transient in population.


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